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Message 23 of 123 (482555)
09-17-2008 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Watson75
09-16-2008 11:45 PM


Ho hum
Wow, the ole "Science can't explain everything, so there must be a god," tripe. Been there, done that. Very boring.
However, I do want to respond to one bit.
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Is not the world you see around you, with all it's intricacies, how it works like clock-work, at the very least suggestive of an intelligence, as opposed to a non-intelligence. You know, how if one thing was to change just a tad bit, none of it would work.
How do you know that if one thing changed "just a tad bit" none of it would work? How do you know that changing one or more parameters would mean that nothing existed? Perhaps the universe would simply be quite different from what we see, but things would still "work" in that universe?
You sound like a mud puddle that says, "Wow, I fit perfectly in this pothole. If the pothole was deeper or wider or longer, I wouldn't fit in it. It must have been designed for me." It's not that the universe is perfectly tuned for life, it's that life is perfectly tuned for this universe, as in fact it must be, otherwise it wouldn't exist.
As far as any meat in your argument, I cannot improve on the words of the inestimable philosopher Clara Peller.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 25 of 123 (482562)
09-17-2008 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Watson75
09-17-2008 12:56 AM


Re: Ho hum
Angry? Hardly. I pretty much only get angry over things that matter to me, and your opinion couldn't matter less. No, if i gotta assign an emotional state in response to your message, I must say I can't do better than I already have. Boring.
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And as far as the equations working perfectly, (atleast as far as creating life goes), there is no disbuting the improbability.
I'm not really too concerned about disputing anything until you've established it. So far, about all you've said is that you can't imagine how it would work if anything changed. There's really no response to personal incredulity, except to say, I see no reason to assume that the universe couldn't work under a different set of rules. Now, if you have actual evidence, I'd be delighted to see it. It would certainly be a first.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 75 of 123 (482936)
09-19-2008 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Syamsu
09-18-2008 6:06 PM


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Im sure scientists must have such a thing since countless sciencefans positively assert as objective fact that there is no love in the universe. Can you please point any paper on it that establishes this as fact.
I'd be more than happy to look for one for you. Just as soon as you find for me one single scientific paper that tries to prove that there is no love. You see, I'm pretty sure that you can't, and that your ridiculous claim has no more factual support than any of your other silly claims.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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