Can science refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?

simple answer no i do not consider science to be the foundation upon which my own individual position is founded ....as to why ...deism is about faith ....if science could prove there to be a god of what ever sort then faith and belief become irrelavent ... you do not go round beliving in your kitchen table all day in the hope that it is there at dinner time .. you know its there and act accordingly ....with deism .. you either have or have not a reason to have faith ...and that is a totally personal thing .. you do not need science to tell you any thing about it ....it is only when you rely on the external to prop up your faith that you open up to questions .. and that is where science comes in as it is in the business of trying to answer questions ...

how about its exsistance ...? i mean you are talking about yourself ... it shapes peoples livesNow i am going to take care here to seperate "faith" from "faith in......"so , if faith has a given cause , then it is evidence for that cause .... faith is the responce ...just like fear , hate , love , confusion , disbelief , stress, trust,.......now fear of being eating alive , while your swiming in shark infested waters is rational ......fear of being eating by killer penguins , while visisting the zoo is , possible ,less rational ...but what about fear of being eating by space aliens , while driveng along a deserted backroad ...?? .. we have no evidence of aliens , or that they eat people , or that they can travel across space ..but they may exsist .... how unrational is that fear ... or faith in some thing that no one has yet produced evidence for ...might not the fact that the faith exsists be the first pointer to the cause of the faith ..??

yes , i am in full agreement with what you have say ... ...and , i would agree that finding that the cause of the faith .. is the hard bit ... but doing hard things some time pays off ..

From PaulK agreed , and that is the issue .. for any one to get faith taken as evidence they need to be perpare to confount the root cause of that faith .. and as you point out ...its very quiet out there .....from Parasomnium not quite , as you need to define X and show the causal link ..thus you uncover something about X .. we are not abandoning scientific rigor ..no unsurrported statementsso..
P1 its can be shown that faith is caused by X
P2 its can be measured that somepeople have faith induced by X
C X exsistsand this is my point .. those who want faith taken as evidence only need to show this cause and how it gives rise to faith ...just as all quoters of science can show that they can have faith in the validity of a scientific theory .. by showing the methods and rules under which the theory was drawn up ...

from parasomnium and this prefectly show how even the best people reach conclusions with out evidence .....i would like to see how it is clear to you what i am thinking .. please show your working ..i refer you to my first post where i said i was NOT considering faith in ..anything .. but faith itself ...i dont think "God" is the cause of faith .. as there is not working defintion of "God" ..what i was attempting to do is to show HOW faith could be used as evidence .. with out prejudging the issue ...IF faith can be shown to have a cause ... then , what ever that cause that is found to be, can be evidenced as having some form of exsistance, be it ..maddness , a god(TM) , eating too much chesse , or what ever ..this is the classic reverse engineering of the cause and effect principle...you notice the effect then hunt down the cause .. a pretty comman scienctific method .to make the blanket claim that faith can not be used as evidence with out investigating the said faith is unscientific .. as you are making a statement with out evidence ...

from Straggler nope it is evidence that the person has faith ...and that is allto use the existance of that faith as evidence for the existance of god ..you would need to show that ,
1.no other cause could be found for that faith ..
2.that a link between the faith and god can be demonstrated
3.that in that particular case god was the cause of the faithas to if the person correclty understood gods wishes .. a total no ..as firstly you would need to accuratly know gods wishes...to compare to the persons actions ..odd you pick such a violent act ...and not say someone giving away all their wealth and going to live as a hermit .. is that evidence for something ..?Edited by ikabod, : No reason given.