Citing Middle Eastern Prophecy Being Fulfilled

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5. World events relative to these amazing prophecies are unfolding daily as we observe. The sad thing is how few are savvy to them or even care.

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Since the beginning of time there have always been screw-balls that have believed that they are living in the 'end times'. Their time has passed and your time will pass and nothing will come of it. You'll just have to leave it to future generations to believe that 'they' are living in the end times.

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6. What makes this all so horrible is the mystery of evil as Satan is cast out of Heaven on to the earth (Revelation 12), having great wrath, knowing his time is short before being chained in the bottomless pit. (Rev 20} It is this celestial evil empire which now is beginning to wage full scale deception and war upon planet earth against God's soon coming kingdom on earth to go a full millennium.

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Oh please..... Who created Satan? Why would a loving, caring, compassionate god create the ultimate in evil and then allow this evil to torment his own beloved creation? It makes no sense, it's complete bunk and all of it should be relegated to the dust bins of history.Have a decent day
Caldron68

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He would not.

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He did and he still does. Are you not familiar with the book of Job? God proves a point to Satan by allowing Satan to take everything from Job, wife, children, health, etc... Just so God can say, See! I told you Job was a good man. Well gosh! God knew Job was a good man. There was no reason to prove this point to Satan. If I were God at that point and time, I would have told Satan to go suck an egg.There was no reason why God should have allowed Satan to do what he did to Job. Sure, God made it all good again after he proved his point, but at what cost? Job's wife? Dead. Job's children? Dead. What about those people? What about their hopes and dreams? Does Job not mourn for his wife and children? How can God make that right? Seems like God likes to play fast and loose with emotions and with human life in general. A fairly cavalier attitude, don't you think?Cheers,
--Caldron68

Thank you for the response Bailey :-) I've heard this one before. In another thread I had a fellow tell me that I didn't have God's perspective and thus should not have an opinion one way or the other. i.e., don't judge God's actions.The problem is that actions always speak louder than words. We didn't have Hitler's perspective either, but it is generally agreed that his actions spoke volumes about his overall character. The same holds true for the God of the OT. How can we possibly not pass judgment on his actions when his actions are absolutely gut wrenching? We sentence people to death for killing another human, especially a child. Not so with God, even though he is the one that gave us the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".Personally I don't think an emotion like 'love' can even be considered in the equation when the directive to Saul is to kill em' all, including their animals. Good point! God does not enforce evil or love. Not sure how this fits with your previous statement about God acting on impulses of love. In this story it is clear that God does not LOVE Job. If he did, he would not allow Satan, a character that God obviously does not like, to touch one single hair on Job's body.It was clear from the beginning of the story that Job's spirit did not belong to death. Job was a solid, God fearing man and God knew it. There was no need for the 'demonstration'. But then again, it is just a story isn't it. Not his responsibility? Why not, he allowed Satan to get to Job, how is it not his responsibility to protect Job from Satan? That's like saying that it's not your responsibility or fault if you let the murderers out of jail and they end up killing some poor innocent person. It most certainly was God's responsibility and it remains his responsibility if any pain or suffering is inflicted on a person by Satan.God did create a world without boils and every other nasty thing that we can think of. Unless you think that boils and flesh-eating viruses existed in the Garden, too. God created these kinds of nasty things because in his eyes he sees man as a damned sinner! Oh, and it's not just Adam and Eve that are damned sinners, it's every single one of their offspring too! Not only that, but the curse holds even after God wipes the face of the planet clean with a horrible flood. Hmmmm. Yeah, except that this time around Job now has TWO wives!!! I wonder how the first wife, in her continuation of life, feels about Job and God in general? Dear God, thanks for terminating my life. Because of you my husband, Job, now has a new cute little wife. I guess in Heaven it's ok to have more than one wife. Maybe the Mormons are right after all. HA! Well, yes I would. Certainly SOME men play fast and loose with the lives and emotions of others, but that's exactly why we have laws, law enforcement officials and a criminal justice system. We punish those that play fast and loose with the lives of others. Not so for God. He can command us not to commit murder and then go ahead and wipe out a whole planet worth of souls. No wonder certain religions feel that it's perfectly fine to just kill those that don't agree with their demented reasoning. They've got such a great role model!Cheers,
--Caldron68

Hi Buzsaw, thanks for the reply.I stand corrected. Jobs wife is only mentioned once in the book of Job and in that instance she questions why Job does not curse God for the nasty things that he has let happen to job.BTW, I looked this up some time ago, but I believe that the events described in the book of Job happened 1400 years after the flood. I know this because I participated in a thread where the OT believed that the behemeth described in the book of Job was actually a dinosaur and another poster believed that dinosaurs were carried on the ark and only died out because of environmental changes brought on by the global flood. 1400 years later, of course, the dinosaurs finally died out. Right!!!Cheers,
--Caldron68