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Author Topic:   Citing Middle Eastern Prophecy Being Fulfilled
Blue Jay
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Message 48 of 131 (463478)
04-17-2008 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by godservant
04-17-2008 2:19 PM


godservant writes:
So because He uses semantics that don't agree with what you would consider adequate for the time they specify, it invalidates them?
For a crash-course in logics lingo, "invalidate" is different from "disprove": "invalidate" means the approach to the problem is wrong, not necessarily that the results are wrong. So, yes, if an argument hinges on semantics, it is invalid. Think of the common-sited analogy of the broken clock: it's right twice a day, but its use to tell time is still invalid.
The trouble that you always run into with these type of biblical arguments about prophecies, semantics and metaphors, is there is no way you could possibly know where to draw the line between the metaphors and the actualities. If you're going to say that something in the Bible is a metaphor when God hasn't specifically said "this is a metaphor," then you have to accept the possibility that everything in the Bible is a metaphor.
It seems that Buzsaw wants us to believe that "brandishing swords," "large and small shields," "princes" and "horses" are to be interpreted as metaphors or symbols, while things like "fire from heaven," "created the heaven and the earth," and "turned the Nile into blood" are to be translated literally.
Why can't the simple, well-described stuff be the real stuff, and the confusing, unexplanable stuff be the metaphors? That seems more logical to me.
Instead, we Christian evolutionists are called heathens for believing that the word "create" in Genesis 1 is metaphorical, while people like Buzsaw are called scholars because of their metaphorical interpretation of "...your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords."
In normal parlance, this is called a "double standard." Thus, it is an invalid argument.

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Blue Jay
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Message 51 of 131 (463486)
04-17-2008 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by godservant
04-17-2008 4:22 PM


godservant writes:
The creation of the world I believe is simple and well-described.
Really? The "description" goes something like this: I did it. And, I did it in seven days. I made the earth, I made the moon, I made the sun, I made the stars, I made the waters, I made the land, I made the plants, I made the animals, I made a man, then I made a woman.
Brilliant. So, who made fungus, bacteria and amoebas? Also, how did all of this stuff happen? All we have from Genesis 1 is that it happened, and that it happened in a certain order, not how the whole thing was done.
Compare that with Ezekiel 38-39. God gives details--"I'll put a hook in your mouth," "I'll drive you back (except for one-sixth of your men)," "I'll knock your bow and arrow out of your hands," "I'll burn you with fire." He tells Gog exactly what He's going to do and what will come of it. That counts as "well-described": there is no mistaking what God's going to do, and who He's going to do it to, and what the results of His actions will be.
So, when God says something specific, it's a metaphor. But, when He says something vague, it's a fact.

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