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Message 59 of 131 (480944)
09-07-2008 10:29 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
03-09-2008 1:23 PM

Words of wisdom concerning prophesy

It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.

L. Sprague de Camp

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 92 of 131 (491650)
12-18-2008 10:39 PM

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12-18-2008 10:30 PM

Re: Connecting The Corroborating Dots Four PaulK And Others

PaulK, since you and others are having such a problem connecting the dots I'll help you all out with the hard empirical evidence.

You claim "hard empirical evidence" and all you have are bible verses?

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Message 94 of 131 (491654)
12-19-2008 12:12 AM

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12-18-2008 11:00 PM

Re: Hard empirical evidence

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I will search for my sheep and search them out. ......I will deliver them out from all places which thy have been scattered, in the cloudy and dark day.

If this was "hard empirical evidence" it could apply to one and only one thing, unambiguously. And it would be obvious before the fact, for all time, and not just after the fact.

You are offering us a Rorschach test, a passage whose meaning can vary depending on the time period and the interpreter. That is not "hard empirical evidence." Its interpretation based on a priori belief.

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Message 107 of 131 (499914)
02-21-2009 10:40 AM

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01-05-2009 6:37 PM

Re: Hard empirical evidence

Odd that those same fundamentalist Christians have survived and thrived.Infact fully 99% of audio/video media (aside from the internet)in the USA (the world power) is run by Fundi-Xtians. (50 million+ right-wing radio listeners, 3 million Fox viewers,verses about 1 million PBS viewers or 500,000 MSNBC listeners).Heck we spend $715 billion per year on military spending mainly because of fundi-Christian voters and their crazed obsession with ensuring "prophecy" is fulfilled via making the Middle-east a complete mess.

Those same fundi Christians want 99% of all Jews to die (all but 144,000) by "1988" I mean "2000" I mean "2011-2018" (Van Imp's latest prediction

Are you nuts, or do you just play a nutcase on the internet?

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Message 109 of 131 (499922)
02-21-2009 11:10 AM

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02-21-2009 10:59 AM

Re: Im not going to reply anymore till Im finished

I ask you to please provide a substantive objection to my posts however.I really dont know how (or what exactly) to respond when you through cheap and vague insults.

I think I provided an adequate response to your previous post. Your most recent post is even nuttier.

You might consider staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

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Message 117 of 131 (500606)
02-27-2009 10:45 PM

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02-27-2009 9:57 PM

Re: Hard empirical evidence

Coyote writes:

I will search for my sheep and search them out. ......I will deliver them out from all places which thy have been scattered, in the cloudy and dark day.

If this was "hard empirical evidence" it could apply to one and only one thing, unambiguously. And it would be obvious before the fact, for all time, and not just after the fact.

Coyote, you mine quoted one eensy verse out of a lot of corroborating evidence of what we are observing in the Middle East today. That doesn't begin to refute any of the empirical corroborated evidences contained in these verses.

Nonsense.

To apply these general passages to one specific incident in the Middle East today is a fool's errand. People have been making such applications with these bible passages for millennia, and with Nostradamus, Jean Dixon and other "prophets" as well. Doesn't mean a thing as they've always been wrong. Why should we believe suddenly that they are accurate predictions in light of a long history of failures?

Your a priori belief has clouded your ability to see the world around you and to rationally evaluate such matters.

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Message 120 of 131 (500610)
02-27-2009 11:55 PM

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02-27-2009 11:39 PM

Re: Hard empirical evidence

Coyote, why can't you understand the significance of...

Because I've yet to be convinced that prophesy is anything other than vague generalities only subsequently interpreted to apply to specific events.

The Oracle at Delphi was just as accurate.

It is only your belief that makes you argue in favor of these prophesies; in spite of the post title, "Hard empirical evidence" is lacking. Otherwise you could tie specific prophesies to specific events long in advance. The track record of believers doing this over the past 2,000 years is probably worse than chance. And its always, "But we're sure this time!""

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