Hi jay,
jaywill writes:
Adam made his first choice, death. Adam made his first choice - not God's way but the other way.
Have you ever pondered the thought of why the first man ate the fruit his wife gave him?
He didn't have to eat it and he was not deceived into eating it.
Why would a man who had everything choose to die?
Have you ever wondered why there are no ages mention in the linages in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26?
Have you ever wondered why the first man's first born son is not mentioned in the Genesis 5 account of generations of the first man if they are the same?
What about the descendants of the first born son of the first man?
jaywill writes:
It seems that Adam was enticed to place something else as more important to love than God.
I think you can find the answer to that dilemma in this:
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The only Father the first man knew was God.
Because the woman had eaten of the fruit and was going to die the man chose to eat the fruit and die with her rather than be alone with God and the animals.
jaywill writes:
Now to be thorough and fair, there is one verse which talks about the defilement of spirit. But this is still not the sinning of the spirit. This is something reauireing another discussion which I will not detail right now.
I have no idea what verse you are talking about as those two words do not appear in the same verse in the Bible.
Spirit and defiled appears in one verse Numbers 5:14.
Unless you are referring to Titus 1:15 where it says: "but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled." Which is talking about the unregenerated.
jaywill writes:
Our soul cannot be transformed unless we undergo the renewing of the mind:
You seem to be confusing soul and spirit. I know that many think they are one and the same. But then you make the mind and soul the same.
jaywill writes:
It is important to realize that God's full salvation includes all three parts of our being - the spirit, the soul, and the body.
We are a triune being, because we are made in the image of God.
God the Father = ________please fill in the blank for me.
God the Son = flesh body.
God the Holy Spirit = spirit.
So we are body, spirit and ____________.
I say we are body, spirit and mind. (mind = knowledge, thinking process, and decision making).
jaywill writes:
Please notice. This is not Paul saying we should wait for the new heaven and new earth before our mind is renewed. This is Paul teaching that now in the church age, before the second coming of Christ, we need to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
The mind is the battlefield between the flesh and the spirit.
It must be renewed daily or the evil one will get the victory.
You ever notice when someone stops reading the Word of God how quickly they cease to do things God's way?
Notice in Romans 12:1 Paul is speaking to born again children of God admonishing them to present their bodies a living sacrifice to God.
Which is our reasonable service. For what He has done for us.
Unless our mind is cleared of worldly thinking that would be impossible.
Especially the thoughts of what I want is the most important thing that there is and that is all that matters.
But the people Paul is addressing is already going to heaven.
When Jesus return I will receive a perfect body. It will be just like His. (I envision being able to walk through solid walls, also just appearing in a room or vanishing).
I see myself where ever He has assigned me my post of service during the 1000 year reign of His on earth and being able to appear before Him in Jerusalem instantly.
But I have never found where my mind was complete at this time.
In fact I would think it is still learning.
I kinda get the impression we will learn a lot when we stand before Jesus at the judgment of the born again.
I would think it would have been a learning experience at the judgment of the nations.
I would think the time spent during the 1000 years will be a learning experience.
I know the Great White Throne Judgment will be a learning experience.
When I see all those stand before Jesus that I met day by day and never mentioned Jesus to them.
Those I worked with on secular jobs in my early years.
Those of my family and friends that I did not convince to trust Christ as their personal savior because my life was not perfect enough.
Those here at EvC that I do not have enough knowledge to spark them to seek Christ for their salvation.
That is going to be an awful learning experience.
That is why my mind will not be complete and perfect until God Himself wipes away all my tears that I will shed when I see all those cast into the lake of fire.
Now if my mind was already perfect, why would God have to wipe away tears after the Great White Throne Judgment. Revelation 21:4
Now if you know of a way I can forego that day and not have to have that learning experience I would love to read it from God's Word.
jaywill writes:
The mortal body of the Christian is to be swallowed up in the divine life which is already in our spirit. It is in our spirit and seeking ever to migrate out into our soul. Eventually it has to spread into our soul and burst out into our physical body.
This is no being found naked or unclothed as a naked spirit before God. This is to be clothed upon with a new glorified body.
I was very excited when I realized that God's full salvation included every part of my being. Previously I envisioned heaven as us being like ethereal clouds floating around. But then I realize from the New Testament how exceedingly practical God's salvation was.
It includes the regeneration of the human spirit, the transformation of the human soul, and finally the transfiguration of the human body.
This is the redemption of the body in Romans 8:23 and the transfiguration of our body in Phil. 3:219.
Sorry about your earlier vision of heaven.
From 9 years and 11 months I have envisioned walking down streets of Pure Gold holding hands with my dear grandmother who raised me. Going to visit Jesus giving Him a big hug and thanking Him for saving my soul.
Just think about it, one day we will be able to walk along by the side of the river that flows from the throne of God with the tree of life bearing it's 12 manner of fruit and laugh and joke at how when we were conversing on EvC we were so ignorant of what God's Word really said.
BTW I will know you when I meet you and you will know who I am.
God Bless Brother,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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