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Phat
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Message 148 of 203 (490597)
12-06-2008 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by jaywill
12-05-2008 12:16 PM


Re: The spirit of man within him
Hi Jaywill and I CAN'T....
Just my 2 cents worth on the idea of Angels and God.
1) God never created a fallen Satan. God created a freewill Lucifer who chose to display unrighteousness. From this, I gather that the "fallen" angels initially chose to rebel and fall. I would think, however, that the fall/separation from the rest of the angels was a onetime thing, and that once corrupted, a "fallen" angel would be unable to discern truth...kinda like a compulsive liar becomes unaware of when they are lying or not. But thats just my belief...I don't really know exactly what scripture says since I don't study it as much as I should.
That being said, nothing would suggest that God would not still level a charge against such a fallen angel for being unable to discern truth. The whole reason that these angels fell was by willfully making a choice to begin with.
Edited by Phat, : fixed boo boo
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"All that we call human history--money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery--[is] the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy."--C.S.Lewis
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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 150 of 203 (490634)
12-06-2008 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by ICANT
12-06-2008 12:22 PM


Did the angels freely rebel?
I CAN'T writes:
The man in the garden had a command (law) not to eat.
To disobey brought consequences, death.
So man had a choice.
Where did the angels or the devil have a choice?
Good question.
On the one hand, we could deduce that God foreknew that Lucifer would become estranged.
Some would argue that God created evil.
Isa 45:7--
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
On the other hand, we have Jude.
Jude 5-7-- Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
This would seem to suggest that the angels abandoned their positions and that it was their will that caused this.
Any further insights?

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