The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and The Tree of Life (Lost /Reformed Thread)

interesting debateim just wondering if Bailey is suggesting that the 'tree of life' could literally give them everlasting life?I would like to suggest that the tree simply represented God’s guarantee of everlasting life to the one who would be allowed to eat its fruit. If you consider the 'tree of knowelege of good and bad' it was the only tree they were not allowed to eat from, it was their one and only rule from God... if they had of obeyed, they would have been showing their respect for Gods right to rule and decide what is good and badbut seeing they ate from that tree, they really showed that they did not respect Gods right to ruleif that tree represented death due to independence from God
then is it possible that the other tree represented 'life' by obedience to God?

hi baileyThe Hebrew word ne”phesh and the Greek word psy·khe”, both meaning “soul,” are also employed to refer to life, not in the abstract sense, but to life as a person or an animal.'immortality' is an adaption of other religions... it is pointless applying that meaning, to the bible because it just doesnt fithence the result of disobedience to God was death, Not immortality. They were not granted eternal 'life' by eating from the tree, they died as God said they would. Edited by Peg, : conclusion added

hi, nice to meet youwhat does your bible say at Eccl 5:9 ?Edited by Peg, : fixed quote box

Im so sorry ... it was late LOLEzekiel 18:4

wow, this is quite an exchange bailey... i never knew Christianity could be so confusingIm going to reply to the following The Jewish Publication Society of America issued a new translation of the Torah, or first five books of the Bible, the editor-in-chief, H.M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, stated that the word “soul” had been virtually eliminated from this translation because, “the Hebrew word in question here is ”Nefesh.’” He added: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ”soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ”Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.””The New York Times, October 12, 1962. this spirit is not God himself, it is a force that CAN expire. He used it to bring the man to life, but it certainly didnt make the man immortal. Adam and eve did both eventually die, hence they were not immortal. Gen says..."God proceeded to “blow [form of na·phach”] into his nostrils the breath [form of nesha·mah”] of life, and the man came to be a living soul [ne”phesh].the Hebrew Ru”ach and Greek pneu”ma, basically mean “breath” but have extended meanings beyond that basic sense. They can also mean wind; the vital force in living creatures; one’s spirit; spirit persons, including God and his angelic creatures; and God’s active force, or holy spirit. All forces that are unseen by the human eye, but the effects of which are clearly evident. Gen3:19 clearly states the end result of disobedience "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”When God bought the deluge upon the earth the result was death for all who had the force of life active in them...Gen 7:21 "21So all flesh that was moving upon the earth expired, ...flying creatures... domestic animals ... wild beasts...and all mankind. 22Everything in which the breath of the force of life was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died. "The spirit of life that God blew into Adam to bring him to life, did expire when he expired...as it does when all other breathing creatures dieBailey, im not sure what you mean when you say 'poison' killed them...can you explain that one agian?

Hi Jaywill, you are reading a text originally written in the hebrew tongue. I think the question you need to be asking is 'what does the hebrew mean when he says 'nephesh' which is the word translated as 'soul' in english.you know what this hebrew word means because the hebrew scholars have told us what it means. It means 'life' and in the context of that scripture, it fits perfectly.... The boys 'life' came back into his dead body.. He was bought back to 'life'thats how i'm reading it anyway Edited by Peg, : fix quote box

i apologize for not replying to your post hereI understand what you are saying here, and on the surface it would seem like the logical conclusionbut if you consider that God is also a spirit, what you are saying implies that the man and woman should also be in spirit form ... the reality is that we are not in spiritual form, but in a physical formso really, im not sure that the scripture is to be applied literally...if you compare humans to the animals, you would be able to see the Godly qualites in man, hence why we have sets of morals/values/ethics/justices/love/wisdomthe fact also remains.... humans die. That is the fact, we do not live forever therefore we are not immortal. That scripture in Ez clearly says that the 'soul dies'however, i do also believe Jesus words that man can live forever Edited by Peg, : fixed quote box again!

im going to attempt this one last time, we are kind of going around in circles nowIf death was Adams punishment for sinning, and death of the body means eternal life as a spirit... then it wasnt really a punishment was it. I mean, who wouldnt want to live with God as a spirit?So, either
A. the serpent in the garden was telling the truth when he said " You positively will not die, but you will be like God"OR
B. God was telling a lie when he told Adam "if you eat from the tree of knowelege you positiviely will die"OR
C. we mere mortals have translated the hebrew words completely wrong.which do you think it is??? Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

hi autumnmanyes, i agree... there are some powerful words by Solomon in the Scriptures show that death in humans and animals follows the loss of the spirit (active force) of life (Heb., ru”ach chai·yim”)hence, its the opposite of life, yes? Otherwise it cant really be called death, can it?

my apologies , i've fixed it now, it was ICANT

it sounds like you are suggesting that we lived in another form before being humans??? is that correctthat our life never actually ends???