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Author Topic:   The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and The Tree of Life (Lost /Reformed Thread)
New Cat's Eye
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Message 173 of 203 (491936)
12-24-2008 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by ICANT
12-24-2008 12:37 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
Where in the Bible does it say the tree in the midst of the garden was the tree of knowledge?
I read:
Genesis 2:9 writes:
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
That says the Tree of life.
It says "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil".
The tree of knowledge is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Sometimes people just leave the "of good and evil" part off of it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 174 of 203 (491937)
12-24-2008 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by ICANT
12-24-2008 12:26 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
jaywill writes:
jaywill writes:
It may say that "every tree of the garden that is pleasant to the sight and good for food" (2:9). But it also says that Adam was forbidden by God to eat one - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
ICANT writes:
You do know that the only difference in the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the regular trees was, that God pointed out a tree and said don't eat of that tree if you do you will die the same day.
Other than that it was just like the rest of the trees.
I am not sure what you mean by this. But anyway that is quite a big difference.
The point I was trying to make was that the first man disobeyed God.
The fruit had nothing to do with the results.
The fruit gave them knowledge of good and evil.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 177 of 203 (491942)
12-24-2008 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ICANT
12-24-2008 1:54 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
The Bible just does not say what they say it says.
The Bible says"
The Tree
"Of the" Knowledge
Of good and evil.
Not the King James Version.....
It just says "the tree of knowledge of good and evil"
It says nothing of man obtaining knowledge by eating of the tree.
Only that they will obtain the knowledge of good and evil.
Obtaining knowledge of good and evil is obtaining knowledge.
Also:
quote:
Gen 3:
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
They gained the knowledge of what it is to be naked and, presumably, how to sew an apron from fig leaves. God's reply even implies that they learned something.

They slice and dice the Bible to say what they want it to say.
Honestly, ICANT, out of all the people on EvC you are the worst slicer and dicer I've met, with your insertion of Gen2 between Gen1:1 and Gen 1:2, and there being two different Adams, of Gen4 and Gen5, who both had a son named Seth who had a son named Enos.
Pot, meet kettle....

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 178 of 203 (491943)
12-24-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by ICANT
12-24-2008 1:57 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
Catholic Scientist writes:
The fruit gave them knowledge of good and evil.
I thought the act of disobeying gave them the knowledge of evil they already knew good, as God is good.
Upon rereading, I see that it was not the fruit, itself, that gave them the knowledge.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 198 of 203 (492347)
12-30-2008 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by ICANT
12-30-2008 12:28 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Note: The same Hebrew word is used for Adam and man in this verse.
This verse declares the generations of the man created in the image/likeness of God. Body, mind, and spirit.
This man's firstborn son's name was Seth.
Seth was born when this man was 130 years old.
This man had no son named Cain nor did he have a son named Abel.
Yet in Chapter 4, at the end, it says:
quote:
25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
So it solves a lot of problems for me and I can not think of one it creates.
It creates the problem of two consecutive chaters that both involve a man named Adam, who had a son named Seth, who had a son named Enos having to be two completely different people with no explicit mention of it whatsoever.
I have an old eternal universe and earth that will never go out of existence.
and another problem you have is that we know that the earth has not been around since the beginning of the Universe (and we don't need to know about before T=0+ to know that).
Also, we also know that the Earth will go out of existence when our sun turns into a red giant.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 200 of 203 (492360)
12-30-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by ICANT
12-30-2008 2:20 PM


Re: impressions and ramifications
I don't really have a claim to make.
It takes a lot of time.
You're too shallow and pedantic.

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