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Author Topic:   Did any author in the New Testament actually know Jesus?
Peg
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Message 224 of 306 (496858)
01-31-2009 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Kapyong
01-30-2009 4:38 PM


Re: The Ever-Shifting Goalposts of Biblical Validity
Kapyong writes:
there is NO evidence of any eye-witnesses to Jesus or the Gospels events. Not one single book of the NT was written by anyone who met Jesus - such is the consensus of scholars today.
some scholars of today also claim that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a sexual relationship and evidence of this is seen in some of the paintings of Leonardo Da Vinchi LOL
The apostle Peter wrote 1st and 2nd Peter. 1Peter opens with a salutation 'Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the temporary residents scattered about...'
so here is just one book that identifies an apostle of Christ as the writer. Can you somehow disprove this?

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Peg
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Message 226 of 306 (496860)
01-31-2009 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Kapyong
01-30-2009 4:46 PM


Re: This humble carpenter wasn't exactly what the Jews wanted.
im sorry, i just saw in my quote i had his birth year as 110CE... its not, its 37C.E. I have this date in a previous post also, but not sure how i managed to type in 110CE here.
So you obviously didnt look up the age of Josephus... you would have seen my error if you had.
I refered to his birth year because this is only a few years after the death of Jesus. This meant that Josephus was a young man during the founding years of christianity. He did become a Pharisee at age 19, so his schooling started quite young...by age 26 he was being sent as a diplomat to Rome to seek the release of jewish prisoners.
this makes Josephus a contemporary of the early church including the Apostles who were with Jesus.

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Peg
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Message 227 of 306 (496861)
01-31-2009 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Huntard
01-31-2009 6:31 AM


Re: The Ever-Shifting Goalposts of Biblical Validity
its very relevant
If we are to scrutinize history by the word of scholars, then why must we only accept the word of scholars of our own day and age and not the word of scholars who were actually living during the times we are analyzing?

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Peg
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Message 229 of 306 (496863)
01-31-2009 6:57 AM
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01-31-2009 6:52 AM


Re: The Ever-Shifting Goalposts of Biblical Validity
i agree, supporting evidence is a good thing
do you think that ancient historians had no supporting evidence?

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Peg
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Message 231 of 306 (496867)
01-31-2009 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Huntard
01-31-2009 7:01 AM


Re: The Ever-Shifting Goalposts of Biblical Validity
what do you think the gospels accounts and the books of the christain scriptures are?

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Peg
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Message 233 of 306 (496869)
01-31-2009 7:28 AM
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01-31-2009 7:20 AM


Re: The Ever-Shifting Goalposts of Biblical Validity
one problem with that is that myths go away after time
another problem is that people dont lay their life down for something they know to be a myth
nor do historians testify that a mythical person was a real person
nor do we set our calanders by the supposed date of the birth of a myth

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Peg
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Message 243 of 306 (497017)
02-01-2009 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Modulous
02-01-2009 3:05 AM


Re: Justin the Martyr was born approx 100CE
hi mod,
yep i think you're right, too many different threads for me.
was this thread about justin martyre??,.. i'll have to go back and read it thru.
Modulous writes:
when is the earliest time when Matthew was attributed to Matthew?
the exact year is not known but in several manuscripts of the 10th century there is an inscription at the end of the gospel of stating 41CE as the year written.
Modulous writes:
By that naive criterion, the Gospel of Thomas was written by Didymos Judas Thomas.
the Gospel of Thomas is not considered an authentic Christian writer. He likely did write it, but who he was is unknown...he certainly didn't stick to the christian teachings.

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Peg
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Message 244 of 306 (497018)
02-01-2009 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Nighttrain
02-01-2009 3:41 AM


Re: Extant writings
there are plenty of sites where you can view all of their writings
here's one
Justin Martyr

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Peg
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Message 249 of 306 (497147)
02-01-2009 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Kapyong
02-01-2009 5:50 AM


Re: Justin the Martyr was born approx 100CE
Kapyong writes:
you made claims about the authorship of Matthew, and you were asked questions about it - now you seem to be avoiding the issue.
When was the earliest G.Matthew was attributed to him?
you realise you quote minded my post then.
in reply to Modulous i stated that 41CE is the year attributed to the writing.
Kapyong writes:
Did you check Justin Martyr?
Does he name the author of Matthew as you claimed?
i said Justin Martyr makes references to Mathews Gospel. His writings go back to 2nd Century so this means that mathews gospel must have been in circulation before the 2nd century.

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Peg
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Message 250 of 306 (497149)
02-01-2009 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Nighttrain
02-01-2009 6:22 AM


Re: Extant writings
for someone who cannot be authenticated, we surely have a lot of information about him and his works.
Nightrain, we can say the same thing about every person in history, the scholars of today can put doubt on everyone...it doesnt mean they are right
it means they have doubts. but do those doubts change the historical records that we have? No, those records written by earlier scholars and historians are still there and still say that this person did this and this one did that
we can take it with a grain of salt, but we cannot write it off completely

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Peg
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Message 251 of 306 (497152)
02-01-2009 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Modulous
02-01-2009 8:03 AM


Re: Apocrypha
1stly, i dont think its called the Gospel of the Apostle Thomas or the Gospel of Saint Thomas
i believe its called, the 'Gospel of Thomas'
Im sure there could have been any number of people named thomas.
Modulous writes:
It seems fitting that I ask you to disprove that Thomas wrote the Gospel of Thomas
it is highly unlikely that any christian wrote this book because it contains accounts of miracles supposedly performed by Jesus in his childhood.
this is completely contradictory to the gospel accounts and no other bible writer mentions anything like this in their accounts about Jesus. There is very limited information about his childhood anywhere else in the christian scriptures.
So it can be disproved quite easily..it is completely out of harmony with the rest of the christian teachings.
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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