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Author Topic:   Gay bashing versus christian bashing
onifre
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Message 12 of 60 (497882)
02-06-2009 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Stagamancer
02-02-2009 2:20 PM


Hi Stagamancer,
language is a powerful force, and an important instrument in both the oppression of people and their ability to fight back.
I couldn't agree more. In fact, in a civilized, intelligent society it is the only means of persuation, oppression and control. No longer is the whip used to control people, it is now done through the art of bias propaganda and mass hysteria. The tool is the media. The sheep are us. The oppressors are the people in power. As long as this method of persuding majority opinion is seen as, like you say "just semantics", or "benign", it will go un-challenged and therefore continue to rule our opinions and values.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 13 of 60 (497884)
02-06-2009 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by DevilsAdvocate
02-06-2009 12:26 PM


Hi DA,
Only if they keep there mouths shut and don't "act" gay, than possibly.
Even then they are not free from persecution. In many cases the person who is gay has never "acted" gay. Sometimes people just knowing that they are gay will be prejudism, even when the gay person has never been openly gay. I think it's just the meer fact that they are gay, and not so much that they act gay or openly speak about being gay.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 15 of 60 (497893)
02-06-2009 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Huntard
02-06-2009 12:48 PM


Well, they're pretty much accepted there, and in my country they can even marry, yes marry, just like everyone else.
Gay marriage, no pot restrictions, high degree of atheists? I think we know where the next sodom and gomorrah will be taking place.
Run Huntard! And don't look back!

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 45 of 60 (498093)
02-08-2009 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by New Cat's Eye
02-07-2009 11:23 PM


Re: are you for real?
Hey asshole,
I agree and I'm not convinced that gays are being unjustly discriminated against.
Does that mean that you feel the disrimination is just? You feel they should be discriminated against?
Sure, but what we can see from the Japanese American internment is that you really don't have any rights that the government doesn't allow you to have.
I agree with you there, the government controls our happyness as they see fit. But what was done with gay marriage - taking it to a vote(which included the votes of heterosexuals) - took it out of the hands of the government and into the hands of the people, with their own personal prejudice opinions.
I find it to be an invented discrimination that has nothing to do with demonization.
Why do you think the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" law was placed for the military? So they wouldn't be overwelmed with hugs when they arrived? Or so they wouldn't get their ass kicked?
I went to private schools and they can pretty much get rid of you for any reason they want without public outcry.
The public doesn't outcry about shit anymore. The public is subdued with crdit dept, video games and sports. But you must admit, if a private school expelled a kid specifically BECAUSE he was black or Muslim the news stations would go fuck'n bananas on that shit. It would be the only thing Jesse Jackson would talk about on tv for a fuck'n year. No one would hear the end of that shit. I performed recently at the Laugh Factory in LA and they're still talking about the Micheal Richards fiasco with the "N" word. The media and the public couldn't wait to rally behind a black kid who got expelled from a private school. There would be public outcry for that specific case.
Can you not see that it is not people playing dumb and refusing to see the parallel but people who realize that its not parallel in the first place?
I agree with you that segregation and slavery hold a higher level of "discrimination" than what gays currently get but, the parallel can be draw in the fact that it's still a majority restricting a minority from taking part in a normal - by todays standards - process that should be for all humans, no restrictions*.
* Of course given that both adults concent to the marriage.
PS. Might be at the Kansas Improv sometime in summer. It's a bit far from St. Louis but if you want to check out a show let me know.
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onifre
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Message 49 of 60 (498138)
02-08-2009 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Fosdick
02-08-2009 11:21 AM


Re: are you for real?
Hey schmuck face,
Hey, there he is, my Fosdick friend.
before you "go fuck'n bananas on that shit" you might want to remember that mothers with suckling infants, teenagers with acne, Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls, and the elderly infirm get discriminated against, even abused and murdered sometimes.
So do, dwarfs, the mentaly challenged, nerds and people in the band(aka nerds), whats your fuck'n point? As long as we can agree that gays also get discriminated against I have no beef.
All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between one man and one woman.
No. What they are saying is according to the current law marriage is a civil union between a man and a woman, which I agree with. The law is the law. I did not argue against that. CS is absolutely right.
The other day at an I-5 rest stop I saw a bunch of bigoted women trying to discriminate against a nice old man who just wanted to use the ladies room to do his business. He went through the wrong door, and no one even cared if he was gay. The women went hysterical, just like those here at EvC who act so self-righteously indignant about such a laughable non-issue as "gay marriage."
Well if you would just stop giving out BJ's at rests stops then you would avoid seeing such discriminating acts. Presumably. But, I agree with you, gay marriage should be a non-issue, the only ones making a big deal are those opposed to it.
I asked you before, and you avoided answering me by giving me some bullshit reason, why the fuck does anyone even give a shit if gay people get married? Who cares? Why care? What does anyone stand to lose?
Lets make it a non-issue by not giving a shit who marries who.
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"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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