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kuresu
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Message 20 of 60 (497930)
02-06-2009 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2009 5:17 PM


Anyone can get married in the USA too, as long as you meet the age requirements or have parental consent otherwise.
That is blatantly false. Only in Connecticut and Massachusetts can homosexuals legally marry. For a while you could in California, but the bigots won on 04/11, which ended that for now. The federal government does not recognize these marriages, per the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996.
Civil unions/domestic partnerships, which are not marriages, are allowed between homosexuals in Vermont, New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Maine, Hawaii, Washington D.C., California, and New Hampshire. Most of these states do not defer all the rights and protections of marriages (numbering some 1,138 according to the GAO).
Further, 29 states have passed amendments defining marriage as between one man and one woman (of those, 19 also ban civil unions and such, whereas 2 allow civil unions).
Finally, 15 states have statutes banning same-sex marriages, and of those, 6 allow civil unions.
So really, anyone can get married only in 2 states, and in all other states you have to be one man, one woman to be married.

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kuresu
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Message 24 of 60 (497940)
02-06-2009 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by New Cat's Eye
02-06-2009 5:51 PM


The claim wasn't that anyone could marry anyone, its that anyone can enter the contract of marriage, which they can.
Really?
Here's what artie said:
Anyone can get married in the USA too, as long as you meet the age requirements or have parental consent otherwise.
Bolding mine.
Anyone can get married. That's the implicit claim. But the reality is far from that. You can go to Connecticut or Massachusetts to get married, but no one is going to recognize it outside of those states. Every other state either bans same-sex marriage and civil unions, bans only marriage, allows only civil unions, or gives civil unions with limited rights and protections. A plurality fall into the first category (19 of 50), a majority in the second (29 of 50). Those counts are only for amendments, and there are another 8 states that have statutes against same-sex marriage that do not provide for civil unions. 39 states, or more than 4/5 of the states in the US do not even allow for civil unions or domestic partnerships, let alone marriage. I fail to see how you can say that anyone in the US can marry in any effective means unless they live within Mass or Conn.

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kuresu
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Message 25 of 60 (497941)
02-06-2009 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Chiroptera
02-06-2009 5:59 PM


Oh, that's what he means. Of course. I was operating under non-bigoted assumptions about the right to marry. How silly of me.

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