Gay bashing versus christian bashing

Someone just sent me a link to this vid. It's pretty interesting.

I remember seeing a documentary on the holocaust and gay people. There was an old man who was a victim of it. He told his story. He was in Germany in the 30s and was in a momogomous relationship with another man. When the nazis took over, they were both rounded up and sent to concentration camp. His partner did not survive. After the war, he joined the various human rights groups to campaign against bigotry and intolerance.The interview occurred in the 80's. There were two things he said that I thought was especially important.(1) He never stopped loving his partner, even after almost 50 years after losing him to the death camp.(2) He said that nowadays you could be a jew or black or gypsie and nobody would care. But somehow, the homosexuals were forgotten.He said these two things and almost broke into tears. Why? Because to this day (21st century), holocaust memorials in Europe still refuse to recognize homosexuals as victims of the holocaust. Heck, religious bigots like buzsaw still refuse to recognize homosexuals their rights. Over 50 years after the holocaust, homosexuals are still fighting for the most basic human rights imaginable.

Technically speaking, black people had every right that white people had during segregation. Are you going to argue that because of this there was no need to desegregate? That's funny. When I married my wife, we inhereted over a thousand rights written in the law. We're covered under the same insurance policy. I could take family sick days off if something happens to my wife. She could take family sick days off if something happens to me. When either of us goes to the hospital, the other one only has to say "that's my spouse" and there's no question in anyone's mind how important that person is to us. All of these and over a thousand other rights and privileges that we enjoy.I have gay friends that have been in monogomous relationship for years, some have been together longer than my wife and I have known each other. And they can't even visit in the hospital.Having equal rights mean much more than just being able to vote.But let's go back to the wiki comment you quoted.

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Human rights refers to the "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled."[1] Examples of rights and freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil and political rights

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Gay people have less civil and political rights because they are not very well represented in our country. It is a political suicide for any polititian to admit he's gay.

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, such as the right to life and liberty

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And again I must point out that technically speaking black people did have life and liberty during segregation. I don't think anyone (except you) could argue that there was no need to make their life and liberty closer to being equal than the rest of us.

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freedom of expression

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The fact that gay kids have to hide their feelings out of fear of retaliation by their peers proves that they have no freedom of expression. The only thing Lawrence King did was ask another kid to be his valentine and he was brutally murdered.My gay friends often tell me at work they have to use gender free language when they refer to their significant others because there are always people who get so uppity and offended about a guy talking about another guy. I don't know about you, but at work I talk about my wife all the time. Every married person I know likes to talk about their wife, husband, and kids at the work place. Yet, gay people are ostracized by their peers for even mentioning the fact that their significant other isn't of the opposite sex.I don't know what fantasy you live in, but here in reality that's anything but freedom of expression.

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and equality before the law; and social

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The vast majority of society still rejects gay people as a legitimate part of society. Some have even called out for their deaths. That's not social equality.

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cultural and economic rights

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Gay people can't include their partners and adopted children in their medical insurance. Gay people often have to hide their identity out of fear of violence from their peers. At the work place, gay people have to hide who they are out of fear of bigots like you affecting their career. That's not cultural and economic equality.

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including the right to participate in culture

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Again, gay people are turned away constantly by various portions of our culture.

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the right to food

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At first glance, this may not have anything to do with the matter. But if you're someone like me who works a full time job in a friendly and relaxed work environment, you'd know that lunch time is more like a party. Again, the number one topic that keeps coming up during lunch hour where I work is family. We, as social creatures, like to show off what we've accomplished in our personal lives. Even the food tastes better when we can talk freely about our spouses, our kids, our dogs, etc. and be accepted and praised by our peers. On the other hand, gay people have to use gender-free language and god forbids if they ever let it slip that their partner is someone of the same sex.

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the right to work

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Think back just how hostile the work environment is for gay people in the typical work place.

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and the right to education.

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Here is a link that will speak for itself on this issue.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484508,00.html

California Court Says Christian School Can Expel Lesbian Students
Wednesday, January 28, 2009

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E-Mail Print Share RIVERSIDE, Calif. ” A California appeals court has ruled that a private Christian high school has the right to expel students because of an alleged lesbian relationship.

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The 4th District Court of Appeal in Riverside on Monday upheld California Lutheran High School's right as a private, religious organization to exclude students based on their sexual orientation.

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Two teens filed a lawsuit claiming they were discriminated against after they were expelled from the Wildomar school in 2005 because of an alleged lesbian relationship.

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A court in Riverside found that the school had the right to expel the girls because the school isn't bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as a business establishment.

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John McKay, attorney for California Lutheran, says the school's goal is to educate children based on Christian principles.

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The attorney for the girls could not be immediately reached Tuesday.

Yes, and the same claim can be made during the segregation era when interracial marriage was illegal.

It's not changing the subject. Everytime a minority group wants to end unjust discrimination it has to convince society at large that such and such discrimination is unjust.During the civil rights movement, the biggest problem that civil rights groups had was convincing society at large that segregation and anti-interracial marriage laws were unjust discrimination. Civil rights leaders compared segregation to slavery as a way to try to convince society that segregation was unjust discrimination. There were people who pointed out that it was comparing apples and oranges because black people weren't working in cotton fields as slave laborers... kinda like how you refuse to see the parallel between interracial marriage and gay marriage. *Blink* You did not just say that did you?Pointing out one or two exceptions won't change the fact that they are not justly represented. For years now, I've been debating and trying to convince people that having a "right" means much more than being protected under the law. Having a "right" in our society also means being socially accepted.I attended a conference at a university some time back. There was a speaker who talked about an experience he had. He and his partner was looking for an apartment. When they told the agent (a black woman) they wanted a 1 bedroom apartment, she simply got up and told them to leave. She also said "we don't serve your kind here". Could they have sued? Sure. Would they have won? Most definitely. But the issue goes much deeper than that. Society at large still doesn't think demonizing gay people is unjust discrimination.Changing the law is just the first step toward equality. There are plenty of female congresswomen and female senators (although I still think women are underrepresented). The same cannot be said of gay people and many other minority groups. You know, telling people how you have gay friends or that you work with gay men is a sign of bigotry. Might as well say "I have a friend who works with a gay person, so I don't have a problem with them..." Have I mentioned they will get fired for it? Nope. What I have said is many still live in fear of reprisals from society at large. My profession is law related. I deal with a lot of people from all sectors of society. Because society at large still doesn't consider bigotry against gay people as unjust discrimination, gay people have to be careful with what they say in front of who. It's not exactly the ideal "free society" like we make it out to be.I wrote...

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Gay people can't include their partners and adopted children in their medical insurance. Gay people often have to hide their identity out of fear of violence from their peers. At the work place, gay people have to hide who they are out of fear of bigots like you affecting their career. That's not cultural and economic equality.

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To which you replied... I work for the government, which means my insurance policy is as liberal as the law would allow. So, yes, I would imagine I know at least something about it.It is their fault that they are afraid to come out? Is it possible that the reason they are afraid to come out is because we as a society at large still discriminate against them? I knew you'd miss the point of that example. Shut up, sit down, and think for a minute. Would society have allowed the decision to be made without a public outcry if the decision was about private school expelling students based on their religion or skin color? Actually, it shows that in a society that claims to be tolerant and free a private institution like that could discriminate against its students based on sexual orientation. This is hardly equal opportunity, socially speaking of course. Again, would this have been allowed to happen if the reason was something like race or religion? Of course you would play dumb and refuse to see the parallel, just like the people who refused to see a parallel between segregation and slavery.