kuresu writes:
That is blatantly false. Only in Connecticut and Massachusetts can homosexuals legally marry. For a while you could in California, but the bigots won on 04/11, which ended that for now. The federal government does not recognize these marriages, per the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996.
Not false at all if you read what I said instead of read-into what I said.
DOMA defines marriage and spouses as a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word spouse refers to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.
Homosexuals and Heterosexuals BOTH can marry as per the definition of marriage, and spouses. What I posted was true, what you assumed I posted was false, though I never can stop you, kuresu, from trying to put words into my mouth. This is just another example of you trying and failing.
CatholicScientist writes:
The claim wasn't that anyone could marry anyone, its that anyone can enter the contract of marriage, which they can.
CORRECT. Wow someone who can read on EVC I’m almost surprised.
kuresu writes:
Oh, that's what he means. Of course. I was operating under non-bigoted assumptions about the right to marry. How silly of me.
No you are just being you. I am speaking from the legal and in REALITY version of what marriage is.
Taz writes:
Technically speaking, black people had every right that white people had during segregation. Are you going to argue that because of this there was no need to desegregate?
Why change the subject? Is the reality of the situation too much for you? We are not talking about black people, this is about gay people not having basic rights, except they DO HAVE the same basic rights. Its your topic and you cant even stay on it. :roll:
Taz writes:
Gay people have less civil and political rights because they are not very well represented in our country. It is a political suicide for any politician to admit he's gay.
Not true there are gay politicians who are open about it. Don’t be so specific, gay people are represented just about as well as everyone else. I am a Pagan, there are no pagan politicians, I have no rights, nor representation!?! Of course I do, I vote, I am represented. There has never been a female President, therefore females don’t have basic rights, they are not very well represent in this country. Are you serious? Get a grip.
Taz writes:
The fact that gay kids have to hide their feelings out of fear of retaliation by their peers proves that they have no freedom of expression. The only thing Lawrence King did was ask another kid to be his valentine and he was brutally murdered.
My gay friends often tell me at work they have to use gender free language when they refer to their significant others because there are always people who get so uppity and offended about a guy talking about another guy. I don't know about you, but at work I talk about my wife all the time. Every married person I know likes to talk about their wife, husband, and kids at the work place. Yet, gay people are ostracized by their peers for even mentioning the fact that their significant other isn't of the opposite sex.
I don't know what fantasy you live in, but here in reality that's anything but freedom of expression.
Every example there is on them, its their CHOICE. It is not illegal for them to be open and out, and freely express themselves. They do have the right, and therefore you are wrong, once again. I’m living in the legal reality of how things are.
Taz writes:
The vast majority of society still rejects gay people as a legitimate part of society. Some have even called out for their deaths. That's not social equality.
Per law they are equal. We have the same rights.
taz writes:
At first glance, this may not have anything to do with the matter. But if you're someone like me who works a full time job in a friendly and relaxed work environment, you'd know that lunch time is more like a party. Again, the number one topic that keeps coming up during lunch hour where I work is family. We, as social creatures, like to show off what we've accomplished in our personal lives. Even the food tastes better when we can talk freely about our spouses, our kids, our dogs, etc. and be accepted and praised by our peers. On the other hand, gay people have to use gender-free language and god forbids if they ever let it slip that their partner is someone of the same sex.
I have no Idea where Zerus is, but we are much more diverse and accepting here in Northern Virginia, I work with a few gay men, and they are not hiding out like you think they should be, nor do they refrain from telling us thing that you say they will not. Oh wait am I ruining your propaganda, shit sry about that.
Taz writes:
Think back just how hostile the work environment is for gay people in the typical work place.
Gee I’m sorry but I don’t operate or think under the same stereotypes that you do. What is typical. I work in a corporate office, so I guess that is my typical. Of wait there are gay men that work with me. Yeah, um I don’t think it is terrible here for them. And you know what they don’t act anything like you say they do around here, they are very gay, proud and open about it. And they have not gotten fired or beat up by the straight men. Wow, now that I think about it, I’m not sure your fantasy applies to my reality.
taz writes:
Gay people can't include their partners and adopted children in their medical insurance. Gay people often have to hide their identity out of fear of violence from their peers. At the work place, gay people have to hide who they are out of fear of bigots like you affecting their career. That's not cultural and economic equality.
It really depends on the company you work for, though I wouldn’t expect you to really know anything about that, considering how far off you have been this whole time, in your propaganda thread. I am talking about legally on the books. You cannot regulate society and tell people how to feel and treat each other, we have the same rights. If gays are afraid to come out, its not my fault.
Taz writes:
Here is a link that will speak for itself on this issue.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484508,00.htmlCalifornia Court Says Christian School Can Expel Lesbian Students
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
E-Mail Print Share RIVERSIDE, Calif. ” A California appeals court has ruled that a private Christian high school has the right to expel students because of an alleged lesbian relationship.
The 4th District Court of Appeal in Riverside on Monday upheld California Lutheran High School's right as a private, religious organization to exclude students based on their sexual orientation.
Two teens filed a lawsuit claiming they were discriminated against after they were expelled from the Wildomar school in 2005 because of an alleged lesbian relationship.
A court in Riverside found that the school had the right to expel the girls because the school isn't bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as a business establishment.
John McKay, attorney for California Lutheran, says the school's goal is to educate children based on Christian principles.
ROFLMFAO
What part of PRIVATE school can you not wrap your brain around? You can get expelled from a private school just because the principal doesn’t like you, and that is a fact.
This is the most horrible example you have come up with yet. It clearly shows you are trying desperately (and failing) to find examples. This shows nothing about lack of education and discrimination in a school, nice try. Wait . Actually it was a horrible try.
Taz writes:
Yes, and the same claim can be made during the segregation era when interracial marriage was illegal.
TRANSLATION: I have no answer on topic so I will switch from apples to oranges, and give a counter point off topic.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.
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