T=0 and a Zero Energy Universe

Hello, i'm new here and i'm a foreignerThis forum is so amazing, really Actually, i've been debating this T=0 problem with my friends.My creationist friends were wondering if they could put the god's existence at T=0, not T<0. Is it possible?Also, they were asking who was triggering the expanding universe from T=0 -> T = 0++. Because, according to the BB theory, T=0 is a singular state, so, if there was not "something" whom could trigger the expanding, the universe would always be at singular state, forever.The point is, how could T=0 become T=0++? What/who was triggering the change? Was it automatically? Or am i missing something?By the way, English is not my first language, so i'm sorry for my bad english XDThanks

Thanks guys, you all are rocks By the way, they mentioned about "consciousness creates reality". So, if there was no an "Observer" who has consciousness when the BB proses, there would be no reality the universe has been expanding till now. Big bang needs something whom observes the process to become reality. And they called this consciousness is God. And this "consciousness god" creates our consciousness.They mentioned about "observer under quantum world", so this "object" has nothing to do with physic or any kind of laws. And it's existence doesn't need space-time. They believe "This observer" was triggering the reality of big bang became real.I know, it has nothing to do with math or physics. And i believe this consciousness discussion is out of topic, isn't it? I don't understand it well, any way, lolPlus, how can i define the singularity with the most understandable human language? I know, it was a condition where the math breaks down. But, do you have any other words to describe it? With the most understandable human language , of course Edited by nchunz, : Add some points

okay, i'll try to quote what they saidThe big bang process is true. But, when the general relativity failed to explain "anything" what happened before the big bang, they used quantum approach to describe "who/what was there".The quantum mechanic said that reality comes true if there is an observer. The quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge, and knowledge requires somebody who knows. Quantum mechanics, the apparent requirement for a conscious, thinking observer who stands outside of the system and takes notes leaves many physicists cold.the philosophical implication of quantum mechanics is that the universe cannot exist in a vacuumat the level of indivisible particles, the universe has been constructed with a built-in need for people. Or God. Or both.Quantum theory seems to require us to step beyond the material to the metaphysical. It suggests a need for consciousness, for mind, for something that is more than just a collection of synapses in a glob of gray-matter. It seems to demand something transcendent, like intelligence or being.Eugene Wigner, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, in a classic essay on the implications of quantum theory, wrote that quantum theory is incompatible with the idea that everything, including the mind, is made up solely of matter: "[While a number of philosophical ideas] may be logically consistent with present quantum mechanics, ...materialism is not."Perhaps the most awesome implication of quantum mechanics is the possibility that the universe only functions because it is continually observed by one who never blinks nor sleeps.There has to be an observer - a link between mind and matter.The observer is definite and real, not described by a wave function Psi and probability Psi Squared. Measurement is the key concept. A change in the wave function Psi represents a change in our knowledge of the system. The observer must be outside the system of quantum theory. The observer's mind is the place where the decision is made that one state actually did occur - that is where probability is changed into fact.I think they are Stephen Barr's big fans, lolThe point is they used quantum mechanic to prove God/"intelligent being" exist before the big bang, as observer. Because "something"(big bang) needs an observer to become real.Does it make any sense?@lyx2no
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yeah, they were trying to confuse me with this quantum mechanics.Unfortunately, i'm not a physic man, so i have no idea how this quantum mechanic works and we could use it when the general relativity failed.That's why i searched for any information about how quantum mechanic works before the big bang, and i ended up in this amazing forum, lol

Thanks for the detail explanation Rahvin I think the key of their model is this "observer". I appreciate If i could get more information about this observer in quantum world. The new thing is the observer doesn't have to be a conscious entity, is it true? If it's true, then their model will failOne more thing,I know universe has a singular condition at T=0 before expanding. At singular state, the temperature is so hot and more dense, their value are infinite according to general relativity.How come the condition with infinite value become finite?All of universe's properties are in exact value. The speed of light, gravity, etc, they are in exact value.I think that's the only reason the creationists have, to prove there was an intelligent being whom determined the value of each universe's properties to become as it is. Infinite become finite, chaos become normal, undeterministic become deterministic.I'm Sorry if you don't get it. It's difficult for me to find best words to describe it, lol

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Yeah, it does make sense.@onifre
Well, it's new for me ----------------------------------------------------------------------I found an article that saying "an observer does not need to be conscious of the outcome of a quantum detection" with some experiments. This is what i called 'Science' lol Page Not Found (404)But, i'm not quite sure i understand the experiment the scientist did. Does anyone know about this experiment and can explain to me?