You may very well be right. That is a possibility. No denial here.
Much respect for your honesty.
Haha that's the point. I don't. It's an irrational feeling.
Well I can't blame you for that, I have plenty of those, too. Btw, seriously though, casual sex is not that different from monogamy. I will admit, the "love" isn't there, but once it gets down to the get'n down it's all the same.
So, to keep it within the scope of science, and what SonGoku was saying, somewhere in our evolution we developed a set of chemicals that activate differently for casual sex and monogamy? I'm just speculating there, btw, but could be possible...?
Ok, I just realized how that came out. Good one, I just laughed at what I wrote, too.
I'm keeping that gem.
I'm not disgusted by it, but at the same time I will never ever ever ever ever have man to man-ass sex. I've been meaning to get this "one way only" tattoo for a while now.
It would look like a tramp stamp*, though.
* tramp stamp, for the older gentelmen in the forum, is the lower back tattoo.
Haha, again no denial here. I was one of those grumpy nice guys that couldn't get the ladies. I never had the ambition to get their asses. All I wanted was to date them. Someone told me once that perhaps my total lack of ambition was why I never had much luck with them.
Women like confidence. That's a fact. You can get out of a 92 Ford Pinto, if you have the confidence swager you catch attention.
Again, back to science, and again I'm just speculating, could this attraction to confidence be something from our non-speaking days? Pre-language?
Any pointer? May be I'll follow Reverend Jackson's example and get a second family...
Ouch, he takes a shot at the Rev. Good one.
Here's some advice to show off that confidence, sing any lady this "Love Song", major turn on. Chicks love Classic rock.
I'm listening to too much Stephen Lynch these days.
Ok the song was a joke. No advice be yourself and fuck what people think, dude.
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Um, by your logic, then, neither heroin nor cocaine is a drug as both are derived from plants.
My logic? I simply called it for what it was. Cannabis is a plant. Coca is a plant. Heroin and cocaine are not pure. They are blended with other ingredients.
I said nothing about "derived from". I'm talking about in its pure state. Cannabis: Plant. Coca: Plant.
Are you about to say that the refining of the active ingredient somehow makes it something other than a plant?
Yes...it makes it a drug.
Cannabis is a plant. Coca is a plant. Coca leaves, all though do boost your energy similar to actual cocaine, is still just a leaf and not a drug. Both herion and coke are cut and blended with other ingredients.
Does that make honey and sugar a "drug"?
No. But if you find a way to trip off honey or sugar let me know.
Why does it matter where the chemical comes from?
What chemical is extracted from cannabis?
Also, this is just in the US. In South and Central America, while cocaine is illegal, coca leaves are not. Why? Because coca leaves are not a drug, they are leaves.
Marijuana is pure, it's the bud from a flower. That I found alternate uses for it besides making Woody Harrelson a pair of pants does nothing to change the purity of the plant. Same goes for coca leaves and shrooms. Cocaine, heroin, extacy, meth, LSD, crack cocaine, etc. are not pure and have many other ingredients (this is what usually makes them bad for you), that alter the purity of whatever plant they were derived from.
Cannabis, Coca, Shrooms, as defined by science, are plants, but as defined by the douchbags in Washington, are a drug.
Choose which ever you feel sides with your opinion of it better...I choose science.
-Oni
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I noticed you are silent about my life now...curiously, where is all that experience, what was it, 60 years or so?
It is not good to see a friend who finds out after 22 years that his son can in no biological way be his and his wife told him the kid was his and HE DID THE RIGHT THING and married her.
Your friend is an idoit.
This is based on 33 years of experience where I have seen the result of your friends stupidity.
I am not a bible believer, my opinion of your friends idiocy is based on my actual observation of the world and the problems people like your friend cause for others, like myself, who don't get lured in like fools by the lies of any woman.
Maybe if your friend wasn't so gullible, lame, or had such low self esteem - (or needing of female companionship so badly to replaced that tired hand that was working overtime) - he wouldn't have been so stupid in the first place, and would have applied some common sense to the situation.
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And a crappy father. After 22 years isn't he his sons father. Why does the news make any difference? Its his own damn fault if he was stuck in a marriage he didn't want. He had choices. I feel sorry for the son.
I have a son that is 26. My ex and I adopted him when he was 13. He is as much my son as any biological son is to his biological parents. There shouldn't be more or less love because of the biological circumstances. If there is then somebody has some serious issues and should have never been a parent in the first place.
Well said. To this day my ex-fiances son is like a son to me. I still call to find out how he's doing, something his biological father has never done. I love(d) that kid as if he was my own. When we went out I introduced him as my kid, paid for his things whenever needed, and was there for all of his school functions like a normal parent.
That's really cool of you to adopt, theodoric. If ever possible I would love to do that, too. Not now though, for now I'll keep living my "Sucky Life", but in the future, maybe.
* Still no word from, Petro, though. I'm starting to worry...you don't think, god forbid, something happened to him? Heavens no...
- Oni
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Is anything in your response supposed to tell me what you mean?
I tried to be clear.
Cannabis is a plant. Coca is a plant.
Don't know what else to tell you.
Why does the fact that other chemicals come along for the ride change anything?
Because it stop being just a plant.
Cannabis is a plant. Coca is a plant. Cocaine is a drug that no longer keeps the purity of just the coca leaf.
Or just explain what you mean?
You did not just say that, did you? You seriously don't know?
yeah THC, but I meant...a fuck it you got me on that one.
Actually what I meant was that it's not extracted and mixed with other compounds to actualy form the "drug", marijuana is pure in that sense.
See what I mean about defining what you mean by "pure" and "not pure"? How can a substance made of literally hundreds of chemical compounds be "pure"?
Pure, as in just the bud from a plant. Cocaine is not pure, the leaf is pure and again just a leaf from a plant.
Yeah...sure. Whatever. If that's how you justify yourself....
Rrhain, do you really think I seek justification for smoking pot?
I have no clue what you're even arguing against...
Cannabis is a plant, right? Coca is a plant, right?
Now, why are they also considered drugs?
Explain what you mean...
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I think you need to define what you mean by "pure".
Since my point was simply that coca/cannnabis are just plants, what I mean by "pure" is "in it's pure, natural form"...or "natural state".
In that sense, they are not drugs, they are plants.
I believe I explained it Rrhain in Message 134 fairly clear.
Oni writes:
quote:I said nothing about "derived from". I'm talking about in its pure state. Cannabis: Plant. Coca: Plant.
I guess I should have added, "in it's pure, natural state.
Since the cocaine is in the leaf with other chemicals when it is extracted (purified is used later in the process) it is more pure than it was in the leaf.
I understand. But now we're talking about street purity, as in, this is pure cocaine. Which I agree does qualify as "pure" in the drug sense.
But my point was that cannabis, as in the plant, and coca, as in the plant, should not be classified as drugs, because they are not...they are plants in their "pure natural state."
We don't classify glue as a drug, it is sold as glue. It's legal to sell. It becomes a drug when people use it to alter their state of mind, but it doesn't stop being legally sold glue, ever.
The same should be for cannabis, or coca. The never stop being plants. The law deems a plant illegal. Well, if that plant is deemed illegal in it's natural state then why isn't glue also deemed illegal in it's natural state? Or for that matter, any other product that can get you high?
That's my point. They are plants not drugs...in their pure, natural state/form.
Does it mean "belonging to holy, pure mother nature?" or something?
Yes. And Rrhain understood that he just wants to make an argument of it. We were talking about the plant, whether the plant was a drug or just a plant. He hasn't given his position on it yet. What would you classify cannabis and coca as? Likewise, what would you classify glue as?
Heroin, cocaine, extacy, meth, LSD, etc are not plants, they are drugs like tylenol, prozac, viagra, etc. Cannabis, coca, moss, ferns, etc, are plants...I don't see where the argument is, and Rrhain hasn't presented one.
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I would say that a drug is anything being used to alter the chemistry on a person's brain.
Sure. That means viagra, prozac, and the like, are drugs. Equally, at the point of usage, certain plants can alter the chemistry of your brain. But that is not the limit of their use, like glue, they have other functions that have nothing to do with altering the brain.
When applied in this fashion cannabis is not a drug. It is a plant that has many uses, one of which happens to be, altering the chemistry of the brain. But at this point so is glue, whipped cream, and paint. But cannabis can also be used for clothing, at that point it is not a drug, right?
You can use a knife to kill, but you can also use it to cut meat. So is it a "murdering device" or a "kitchen aid"...?
You can make certain uses illegal, like killing someone with a knife, but you can't make the knife, or cannabis plant, illegal when they have many unharmful functions.
Shit, even chocolate alters the chemistry in ones brain.
Glue, when sold and used as glue, is not a drug.
Cannabis when sold as a plant is not a drug. It's a potential pair of pants, shoes, shirt, etc...Or simply a household plant, like a fern.
When it is huffed, it becomes a drug because it's intended goal has changed. Cannabis is a plant, and remains a plant, but the moment it is smoked, it's intended goal is a change in the inhaler's brain chemistry making it simultaneously a plant and a drug.
At that point, so is paint, whipped cream, and glue. When things are used for the purpose of getting high it no longer is what it was originally intended for. But this isn't strictly for plants.
Your argument seems to be that drug and plant are mutually exclusive terms. It seems similar to claiming that if I fed someone hemlock and they died, I could not be charged with poisoning them because what I used was a plant, not poison.
My argument is simply:
Cannabis, as the plant, is not a drug and should be legal. Just as glue, paint, etc, as "glue" and "paint", should not be considered "drugs" and are sold legally. You can make using for other purposes illegal, and state which purposes that would be, as is done with glue, etc, but why make the plant illegal when in that plant-like state it is not a drug anymore than glue in it's glue-like state is not a drug?
[ABE]Let me give another example: If getting drunk was deemed illegal, and possession of beer for the intended purpose of getting drunk was also deemed illegal, would that automatically makes hops and barley illegal also?[ABE]
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I was just pointing out that while cannabis is a plant, it can also be a drug.
You don't have to point that out to me.
Me knows and me likie.
The gubment, however, differentiates between recreational drugs and medicinal ones, and of course, the demarcation is arbitrary and inconsistent to the extreme.
Agreed! Marijuana is both recreational and medicinal, yet illegal, because it causes adults to wake up to the reality that it's all fake, society is full of shit, and hard work is pointless.
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I would agree. I was just pointing out that while cannabis is a plant, it can also be a drug.
I wanted to add something to this statement.
While I agree that cannabis can also be used as a drug, that is not it's only function. In fact, the non-drug functions is far greater than many other products.
So why do we signal out one particular thing, like the cannabis plant, but not other things, like glue or paint, that can also be used as drugs.
The point is in the usage. You can make certain uses illegal, like stabing someone with a knife, but not the knife itself. You can make sniffing glue illegal, but not glue. Likewise, you can make smoking cannabis illegal, but not the cannabis plant.
If we signal out one thing then we should signal out all things that have the potential to get you high. Cannabis is a plant but it can also be a drug, agreed, but equally so, glue is a product to bind things but it can also be a drug...right?
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Currently, if a person is growing cannabis in a hydroponic garden in their attic, is it more probable that it is going to be intended for drug use or for weaving?
Well when all other avenues of usage have been shut down, for instance if I wanted to start a clothing company using only hemp products, I can't turn to any farmer and ask him to grow cannabis for my non-drug related use.
The current narrow avenue for cannabis is only for drug use, but in countries where it is legal to grow and manufacture as clothing or a long list of other products, to include medicine, there isn't such a narrow avenue. Basically, we've currently pigeon-holed growers to make cannabis for only drug use, but that is only because the market to manufacture it for other uses is closed.
This type of narrow avenue has also been the spring board for drug cartels. If US farmers grew cannabis it would greatly eliminate the cartels. And a mass growing of the plant would make other uses readily available to manufactures of many different products. Then the stigma of just for drug use can be removed.
For instance, stores in my area are now required to limit the amount of cold medicines that contain ephedrine (I believe) because it is being used in meth labs. When someone is buying gallons of cough medicine, the intended usage becomes apparent, wouldn't you say?
I agree that some regulation is necessary. And some control would effectively cut down on the illegal uses, but that also applies for many other products that are harmful, not only as drugs but other things that can cause damage.
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I refer you to this message Message 141 to explain what I meant by pure.
My only point is that cannabis is a plant not a drug.
How does that make the chemical inside the plant something other than a "drug"?
Cannabis is a plant before it's a drug. One of it's uses happens to be drug related but it's still just a plant.
Honestly, Rrhain, I have no idea what you're arguing against...
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