God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)

Hi Straggler, The bottom line here is that there has not been one shread of scientific evidence presented concerning anything past T=10^-43.So why am I supposed to accept all the science fiction (that is what it is as far as I am concerned until there is evidence for it) that has been thrown about.Gees Einstien commited the biggest blunder of his life so he did not have to give up his static universe.You want me to present scientific evidence that God exists before you accept His existence.Why can't I demand the same from you all.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, I have defined eternity on several occasions.Eternity is one great big now. No beginning and no end.Time as you and I know it is just a speck in that Now.The God of Genesis 1:1 views all of Now at the same time.Hope to see you there.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Actually he modified the theory to fit his beliefs that was the CC the biggest blunder of his life. Because he believed in a static universe. That is a universe that extends into infinity backwards.When his bad math was exposed he then changed his theory to match observations. A universe that had to be created one that began to exist.He then sought to figure out how God did it. Explanation are not evidence.Anything that has been presented concerning anything prior to T=10^-43 is pure speculation. Speculaton is not evidence.
None of it carrys anymore weight than me saying God did it, I just don't know how He did it.That is what all of you have been telling me. Let me sum it up.I have been told the BBT starts at T=10^-43 and explains pretty well how everything happned up till now. Well it turns out that inflation which is necessry to fix a lot of problems with the BBT is not an accepted theory yet. It is accepted that it is necessary. Ok lets say I swallow the BBT theory with all its problems.Now I am told prior to T=10^-43 'we don't know'.Yet for the last 2 days + I have been told all kinds of things that has to be in the 'we don't know' area as if they were a scientific fact and it has been demanded that I accept it as fact like you guys do.Well I am sorry I am still stuck on the explanation of 'we don't know'.So you guys accept all this stuff by faith if you want to just count me out.Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed the barrage of information. I have enjoyed all the wild speculation that has been put forth. And since I keep copies of everything it may be useful in the future.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

All I did was ask a question.Do you care to answer it?Apparantly not you could have done that with less typing.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi cavediver, I have never got the beach ball bit.If the above mentioned beach ball was at T=10^-43 it would have been an ultra-dense, ultra-hot state (about 1 trillion degrees kevin) smaller than a pea in size self contained universe with nothing outside. Is that correct?At T=10^-43 the universe was expanding very rapidly.Many portray the expansion as a cone.Some portray the expansion as a tube.Now I like the beach ball.Was space expanding directionally?ORWas it expanding in all directions as determined by the Hubble constant today.If it was expanding in all directions the beach ball analogy with the ants crawling on the surface is a joke.In fact that is what you thought it was when I wanted to stand on the surface of the universe and look up to God's throne.I like the analogy of the cake with the rasins in it. You mix up the batter put in the rasins and stir until they are scattered through out the dough. You then bake as the dough rises the rasins get further apart as the space between them grows the rasins do not move but they get farther apart.Then if you cut the cake open there will be rasins all through the cake. All the way to the center and out to the other side.So why are we talking about the universe being represented by a beach ball? The only thing they could have in common is they are round. But most think the universe is all other kind of shapes. Unless I can pick a point in the center of the beach ball (which I can not do as I am on the outside of the beach ball) I can not even get close to the T=0 as it would be the center from which everything expanded. If expansion is as per Hubble's constant.I do realize that T=10^-43 contains T-0.Now is it a sphere or a circle like the one the Bible is accused of having around the earth?Now I am back to my earlier problem. Everything is contained in the very small ultra-dense, ultra-hot state. If we keep squeezing this little ultra-dense state can we ever squeeze it until it does not exist? Or would it be that we just don't have knowledge enough to begin to comphrend what it would be.If we could get it to the point it did not exist then it would have to begin to exist for our universe to exist.If we can't get it to the point it does not exist then it has been threre for infinity in some form. We are just clueless to what 'it' was.I like what Tesla's answer would be. It was existence.I notice you also inserted a possibility at this point, as you added a previous Big Crunch that could have happened to a previous universe that produced the ultra-dense state at T=10^-43. There is no outside of what exists at T=10^-43.Everything that exists is contained in the ultra-dense, ultra-hot state at T=10^-43.Back to the OP.If we could go back far enough that the ultra-dense state that exists at T=10^-43 did not exist It would have to begin to exist. The question is how would that be possible?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi cavediver, Heaven forbid.Those are words you have spoke to me on several occasions.Son Goku mentioned it also.If you would like I will go find the messages and reference them for you.I just wanted you to know that I do listen.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi cavediver, I stay confused.Nothing is known about T=0T=0 = singularity which refers to the ultra-dense, ultra-hot state around T=0 (up to say T=10^-43 secs),But the singularity does not really exist as it is simply the artifact of inapplicable mathematics.T=10^-43 secs The complete universe existed and was about the size of a pea, was expanding, and was 1,160,400,000,000,000 degrees. (roughly) (1 quintillion degrees) temperature provided by Son Goku.Everything we see today and even that out there we can not see came from that ultra-dense, ultra-hot state.Hubble's constant says the universe is expanding in every direction at the same speed.I think I am on solid footing so far, but now I will mess up.If everything in the universe is expanding from that point that existed at that ultra-dense, ultra-hot state:Wouldn't that mean the universe is a sphere?Wouldn't that also mean that point would be the center of the universe?If that is the case I don't see how that beach ball has anything to do with representing the universe.I don't see how there can be a surface of the universe, when everything is the universe.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ned, Why is there no inside?Nothing existed outside of the pea sized universe.Time, space, matter, energy, gravity everything was contained in that pea sized universe.This is one of my biggest problems.If I was to take a cake mix and mix it up ready to bake.
I then add a can of yeast to the dough.
I then add 2 cups of rasins to the mixture.
I take a sphere of glass and put the mixture in it and begin to bakeIt would not be long before the glass would break but the cake would keep getting bigger until it was done.The rasins would be at the same place they were in the beginning.But they would be much further apart.You could cut the cake open and you would have rasins all the way through the cake spaced at all different kinds of distances.Now if every Quark or the strings that make them up (if they exist) in that pea sized universe that was expanding expanded as Hubble's constant says in every direction the universe would be a sphere filled with all kinds of distances between things.Is there any direction that the Hubble Space Telescope can look in and not see 10 to 20 billion light years out into space?Is there any direction it could look and not see stars?I'm like Oni my head hurts I am going to go to sleep. Maybe when I wake up it will all be gone away.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Are you absolutly 100% sure there was no before?If so I would like to see your evidence to back up such an assertion.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Time did not begin at T=0.What you are refering to as time is not time. You are refering to the distance from today back to where inapplicable mathematics, define a ultra-dense, ultra-hot state.So man devises a way to measure that distance and calls it time. Well actually there is no before.There is no after.There is only now.Time does not exist, as it is a man made tool.Time has been studied for over 2500 years (by our way of caculating time) and we are no closer now to having an answer to the question, 'What is time'?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Yes.For most of my life I built things.I have an amazing computer program that I draw houses with. I can place anything in and around the house even down to the silverware.
I then download the current day prices of all items that have been placed in the drawing and the program will give me to the penny cost of all items. If all work is to be done by piecework it gives me the total cost of the item.I then purchase said items and build the house.Many years ago it was not that way. We had to cut the trees down and have them sawed into the material to build the house out of.Prior to that they just used the trees.If you go back far enough you will find people used caves to live in.If you go back far enough you get a ultra-dense, ultra-hot state which is inapplicable mathematics.There has been a cause for everything from that now until this present now.Why should that now be exempt from a cause?BTW what difference does anything I think matter? My thinking will not change, what or why any thing 'is'.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi cavediver, Many answers does not sound like we are getting close to an answer.Zeno, Plao, Spinoza and McTaggart all said time is nothing because it does not exist.Aristole said: "time is the measure of change".Newton argued very specifically that time and space are an infinitely large container for all events, and that the container exists with or without the events.Kant said, "said time and space are forms that the mind projects upon the external things-in-themselves."Some physicists argue that both space and time are the product of some more basic micro-substrate.Nobody can agree what that substrate is.Some say space is basic and time is not.In 2004, after winning the Nobel Prize in physics, David Gross expressed this viewpoint:"Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by." Yea like the time I wasted researching and making sure of what of what I was trying to say in Message 259.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

And just where would down be from the Hubble Space Telescope?Would that be toward earth?So let me rephrase the question.Taking earth as down and the Hubble looking away from the earth at 180In the 96 minute orbit around the earth the Hubble is able to take pictures from a 360 view from the earth. Correct me if this is wrong.Is there anywhere in that 360 view that the Hubble Space Telescope can not see 10 to 20 billion light years away?If the Hubble was rotated from that plane to view 90 to it's left or right would it still be able to see 10 to 20 billion light year away.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, I have a preconceived answer that I have had since I was 10 years old.Nobody taught me that answer. I came to those conclusion after reading Genesis 1:1. Right or wrong that is what my answer is based upon.Now everybody tells me that answer is wrong.I ask for evidence that it could be another way. I get, "we don't know".Yet everybody is positive I am wrong.I gave you an example of me being able to build things in my lifetime.Now if I went to the lumber store and to get the materials I needed to build a house.I tell tell the man I need:
1800 Block He says sorry cement does not exist yet.200 2 x 4's He says sorry trees don't exist yet.I would get the feeling I was not going to build that house.So since for my entire life there has always been a cause for everything I come in contact with why should you expect me to accept an uncaused 'some thing' to begin to exist.Give me some hard evidence that it can happen.I will not accept by faith that 'some thing' which did not exist began to exist without a cause.That is like me trying to get you to accept that God exists. You want hard evidence that He does exist. You will not accept by faith that He does exist.I hope this lets you see the position that I am in.Problem.OP proposition #1...Anything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence.It don't exist. It begins to exist. Why? It had a cause. (I can accept that regardless of the cause).Your position.Proposition #1 is wrong. Anything that begins to exist does not have a cause for its existence.It didn't exist. It begins to exist. Why? No reason it just exists. (I can't accept that as I have a lot of follow up why questions.)Correct me if I misrepresented your position.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler,In Message 276 you asked."ICANT what answer will satisfy you?"I answered in Message 277"So since for my entire life there has always been a cause for everything I come in contact with why should you expect me to accept an uncaused 'some thing' to begin to exist.Give me some hard evidence that it can happen." So give me some hard evidence that 'some thing' that begins to exist does not have a cause for its existence.To clarify begins to exist. = It has never existed but all of a sudden it begins to exist.Do you have anything to offer as evidence?
Can I assume I stated your position correctly concerning #1?
As you did not correct me,or was that an oversite?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."