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Author Topic:   God exists as per the Kalam Cosmological Argument (KCA)
jaywill
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Message 307 of 308 (532122)
10-21-2009 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dr Jack
07-31-2009 8:28 AM


Wrong on both counts. We have considerable evidence of uncaused events - have a look at quantum mechanics and radioactive decay - and assuming that because everything in the set has a property that set also has that property commits the logical fallacy of composition.
Is quantum tunneling what you are talking about as a possible explanation for the beginning of the cosmos?
My understanding at this point is that it has been theorized in quantum mechanics that virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness provided they are converted back into nothingness before the human observer can possibly detect their appearance. This typically means that the particles so produced must disappear in less than a quintillionth of a second.
I think astrophysicist Paul Davies appealed to the suggestion that the entire cosmos could have popped into existence. However, if I am not mistaken, quantum tunneling calls for this massive universe to disappear back into nothingness in less than 10 to the minus 103 seconds ( a decimal point and 102 zeros before the 1).
The age of the universe is much longer than that of course! So can any theorized quantum tunneling causing the poping into existence of the universe be realistic ?
Hugh Ross argues that the argument against God's creating because of quantum mechanics can be turned against itself.
"Quantum mechanics is founded on the concept that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities with finite intervals of time. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a specific quantum event will occur. This means that if the time interval is zero, the probability for that quantum event occuring is also zero. Because time began when the universe was created, the time interval is zero, eliminating quantum tunneling as a possible candidate to be the creator of the cosmos."
One proponent of quantum tunneling, British astrophysicist Paul Davies supposedly, according to Ross, deserves credit for on going revisions of his position. In his 1984 book "Superforce", he argues that the law of physics "seem themselves to be the product of exceedingly ingenius design." And in a latter book "The Cosmic Blueprint" Davies posed the question:
"If new organizational levels just pop into existence for no reason, why do we see such an orderly progression in the universe from featureless origin to rich diversity?"
He concludes that we have "powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all."
Maybe he was moving in the direction of theism. These observations I read in "The Creator and the Cosmos" by astrophysicist Hugh Ross on pages 97,98 under the chapter heading "A Modern Day Goliath".
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