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How can there be a creator without creation?

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Theodoric
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Message 45 of 111 (519510)
08-14-2009 10:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 43 by ICANT
08-14-2009 10:31 AM

Re: Re Creation
I believe God caused the universe to begin to exist.
Source of information Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".
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That would be from a book. Not evidence of anything in the least.
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In the same message I challenged you to prove the Bible account of creation is false.
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Well with all the errors in the book, it is kind of hard to take anything as truth. The book makes claims that go against all laws of the physical universe. It makes extraordinary claims. I don't even need extraordinary evidence. Just give me some ordinary evidence.
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Science does not know about creation or if there was one. Why do you feel there is some special reason your biblical story is correct? Why cannot other creation stories be correct?
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You cannot prove your story is correct but you expect others to prove it isn't. Does your pomposity know no bounds?
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
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08-14-2009 11:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 46 by ICANT
08-14-2009 11:29 AM

Re: Re Creation
All tuffers or you or anyone has to do to prove Gen 1:1 wrong is present the verifiable evidence for exactly what happened.
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You cannot prove it is correct, so why the need to have someone prove it isn't?
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Scientifically there had to be one.
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In 1998 it was discovered that the universe is flying apart faster than ever.
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The expansion is speeding up.
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So going backward would produce no existence.
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I do not think there had to be one. I thing this is just an assumption on your part. Why did ther have to be a beginning? or a creation? Why does going back lead to "no existence"?
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Do you know that much about the universe?
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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