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Author Topic:   How can there be a creator without creation?
Dr Jack
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Message 5 of 111 (519159)
08-12-2009 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by tuffers
08-12-2009 4:18 AM


And on the third day, Leonardo Da Vinci flew through the air with the greatest of ease, and rained fireballs from the sky upon the invaders. And then, after a nice cup of tea and a bun, he fashioned the great barrier reef from a sock and yesterday's avocado.
Now, did Leonardo make the Mona Lisa or not?

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Dr Jack
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Message 9 of 111 (519168)
08-12-2009 6:44 AM
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08-12-2009 6:40 AM


My point is that writing wrong fiction about a real person has no impact on whether that person is real or not; or whether they actually made what they really made or not.
Similarly, that a story about God is false provides no meaningful information about the reality of God.

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Message 13 of 111 (519190)
08-12-2009 9:09 AM
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08-12-2009 8:16 AM


It was not William Shakespeare that wrote Hamlet but another man of the same name
Okay, I see your point more clearly now.
It seems to me that it's a question of semantics. Does the fact* that the genesis myth is false prove that God-who-created-the-universe-like-what-it-says-in-genesis doesn't exist? Yeah, I guess it does. But it doesn't prove that God-who-didn't-make-the-universe-like-that doesn't. And when someone says that genesis being myth being false doesn't disprove God they're talking about the second of those gods, not the first.
* - unlike Huntard I'm quite comfortable describing the genesis myth as proven false.

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Dr Jack
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Message 40 of 111 (519484)
08-14-2009 5:43 AM
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08-14-2009 5:36 AM


The gentle patter of the goalpost's feet
GOD NUMBER 3: might have existed but cannot justifiably be propositioned as a creator more than anything else can be as there is no evidence that he created anything.
Woah there, nelly, isn't this you conceeding your point? No-one in this thread has argued for God's existence, only that the invalidity of the Genesis story doesn't mean he doesn't exist. These are different issues.
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As a complete aside: where abouts in Norwich do you live, Tuffers? I grew up near there, and did my GCSEs and A-Levels at Eaton CNS.

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