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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"I'll try again, since my last attempt failed. I didn't ask for a book about creationists who had some scientific qualifications. I asked WHAT famous scientists who were/are creationist (post darwin, preferably in the last 50 years)? Can you even supply ONE?"
--What are your requirnments for being 'famous'. ------------------
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Pete Inactive Member |
quote: I would hazard a guess that famous would have to be someone we arelikely to have heard of. Really famous would be someone who is known outside of their ownfield of study.
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: Oh boy. Find a dictionary. Open it to where it shows the definition of the word 'famous'. Bingo!
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wj Inactive Member |
Are we allowed to assume that, in the absence of any substantive answer, that there has been no famous scientist has been a creationist in the last 50 years?
Is this the result of discrimination against creationists and their works, a conspiracy to ignore creationists' scientific findings, a complete brainwashing of the scientific community to unthinkingly accept evolutionary theory or the failure of creationism to provide a consistent, scientifically plausible alternative to evolutionary theory? It is interesting to see the number of persons who are brought up as creationists, receive an education in science, critically examine the "science" of creationism and ultimately reject it.
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: Yup, I'd say so. Despite his confident mention of the 'famous scientists who were creationist', TrueCreation has been unable to come up with even one. Surprise, surprise.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: Yes it is.
quote: Here, Here! I have a bit of personal experience with that. -----------db ------------------Bachelor of Arts - Loma Linda University Major - Biology; Minor - Religion Anatomy and Physiology - LLU School of Medicine Embryology - La Sierra University Biblical languages - Pacific Union College Bible doctrines - Walla Walla College
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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
Would Arthur E. Wilder-Smith count? He had 3 Doctorates.
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Would Arthur E. Wilder-Smith count? He had 3 Doctorates."
--Wow 3? Wasn't aware of that, in what areas? I plan on getting minimally 1, depending on my marital statis I'll shoot for 2 or 3. I don't know about you guys, but I love science. ------------------
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Oh boy. Find a dictionary. Open it to where it shows the definition of the word 'famous'. Bingo!"
--If thats the catagorial listing capability, you might want to add a good portion of the AiG and ICR Gang. ------------------
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7605 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote: No TC - that's the infamous list! ;-)
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wj Inactive Member |
quote: Here's more detail on Arthur E. Wilder-Smith from http://www.thewordfortoday.org/wildersmith.html "Biography A..E. Wilder-Smith studied natural sciences at Oxford, England. He received his first doctorate in Physical Organic Chemistry at Reading University, England, 1941. During World War II, he joined the Research department of ICI in England. After the war, he became Countess of Lisburne Memorial Fellow at the University of London. Subsequently, Dr. Wilder-Smith was appointed Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Later he was elected to teach Chemotherapy and Pharmacology at the Medical School of the University of Geneva for which position he received his ``habitation" (the senior examination required for professorial appointments to European continental universities). At Geneva, he earned his second doctorate, followed by a third doctorate from the ETH (a senior university in Switzerland) in Zurich. In 1957-1958 Wilder-Smith was Visiting Assistant Professor at the Medical Centre of the University of Illinois, 1959-1961 Visting Full Professor of Pharmacology of the University of Bergen Medical School in Norway. After a further two years at the University of Geneva, he was appointed Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois Medical Centre. Here he received in three succeeding years - three ``Golden Apple Awards" for the best course of lectures, together with four senior lecturer awards for the best series of year lectures. Dr. Wilder-Smith's last Golden Apple award was inscribed, ``He made us not only better scientists, but also better men." Curriculum Vitae Creationist, Chemist, & LecturerPh.D. in physical organic chemistry at University of Reading, England (1941) Dr.es.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) in Zurich D.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from University of Geneva (1964) F.R.I.C. (Fellow of the Royal Institute of Chemistry) Professorships held at numerous institutions including: University of Illinois Medical School Center (Visiting Full Professor of Pharmacology, 1959-61, received 3 "Golden Apple" awards for the best course of lectures), University of Geneva School of Medicine, University of Bergen (Norway) School of Medicine, Hacettepe University (Ankara, Turkey) Medical School, etc. Former Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company Presented the 1986 Huxley Memorial Lecture at the invitation of the University of Oxford Author or co-author of over 70 scientific publications and more than 30 books published in 17 languages NATO three-star general Deceased Dr. Wilder-Smith was featured in an award-winning film and video series called ORIGINS: How the World Came to Be " The difficulty in assessing whether he was "famous" is that he doesn't appear to have gained any fame from his scientific work (I suspect none of his 70 scientific publications dealt with creation science) but is famous as being a highly qualified creationist pin-up. His formal qualifications in organic chemistry apparently allowed him to offer creationist views on cosmogeny and thermodynamics. As a person with some interest in science but no great contact with creationism, I can say that I have never heard of him, except in connection with his creationist apologia.
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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
Well the question is kinda meaninless anyway. What does being a famous scientist have to do with whether or not Creation is correct. It's not that I think the question shouldn't be asked, it's just that it should not be considered evidence of whether or not Creation is correct.
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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
quote: Great, maybe one day you will make it into the "infamous" list with all those other incompetent Creation Scientists!
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: The question remains: In what areas are their competences, and in what areas are their incompetences? Is their input into the E/C debate coming from their areas of competences or their areas of their incompetences? Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: Ummm...no. Note the request asked for 'famous scientists'. People like Gish, Hovind, et. al. might well be famous, but they're not scientists.
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