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Author | Topic: Did God say it, or did you say it? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote: The teacher should know these things because the teacher should be trained in Biblical hermeneutics (Biblical interpretation). The wikipedia article (Biblical hermeneutics - Wikipedia) is very broad-ranging, but if you scroll down to "Techniques of hermeneutics" you will find the method used by Evangelical Christians as described by Henry Virkler. This is the method which is often imprecisely called a "literal" method of interpretation. It is composed of a number of sub-methods which should all be incorporated. The most important sub-methods are the first three:
wikipedia, Biblical hermeneutics writes:
1. Lexical-syntactical method: This method looks at the words used and the way the words are used. Different order of the sentence, the punctuation, the tense of the verse are all aspects that are looked at in the lexical syntactical method. Here, lexicons and grammar aids can help in extracting meaning from the text.2. Historical/cultural method: The history and culture surrounding the authors is important to understand to aid in interpretation. For instance, understanding the Jewish sects of the Palestine and the government that ruled Palestine in New Testament times increases understanding of Scripture. And, understanding the connotations of positions such as the High Priest and that of the tax collector helps us know what others thought of the people holding these positions. 3. Contextual method: A verse out of context can often be taken to mean something completely different from the intention. This method focuses on the importance of looking at the context of a verse in its chapter, book and even biblical context.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:These methods are generally accepted by various groups. The ones I referred to are generally accepted by Evangelicals (including educated YECs). I believe Augustine said that theology (including hermeneutics) is the "Queen of the sciences," but most today would classify hermeneutics as an art rather than a science. Thus, I can't answer your question of "how does one verify they are correct?" because I don't know what your standard of "verification" is for a non-scientific field. Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined:
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quote:Not at all. Why does an "element of artistic license" disqualify it as a good basis for interpretation? Surgery is also an art. Do you ask the surgeon to "verify" all of his methods? Do you accuse his procedures of resting on a poor basis if he can't do so? Would you prefer that your surgery be done by a robot which cannot exercise elements of "artistic license"? The Bible is literature, not science. It must not be read or interpreted as a scientific text.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:Why don't you just look it up yourself and resolve the issue to your own satisfaction? The standard Hebrew lexicon is by Brown, Driver, Briggs, and Gesenius. You can find it in your local library, and an abridged version is available online in a few places. Here is "yom":http://biblestudy.crosswalk.com/mybst/default.aspx?type=l... Yowm Meaning in Bible - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - New American Standard The unabridged version has much more information, but I can't find an online version. For even more information on Hebrew words from a conservative Evangelical perspective, you can check TWOT (Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament). You'll need to go to a library to find it. Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:"Without form and void" can also be translated "empty and desolate" This is different from non-existence.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:They didn't say "without form and void" and they didn't say "empty and desolate." They said tohu wa-bohu. I suggest that they meant tohu wa-bohu. quote:What's the problem? Any sort of literature, whether in one's mother tongue or not, is "open to interpretation," so must be interpreted carefully and correctly. This is also true of scientific writings.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:A good interpreter does not just "make it up." If this is what you meant when you said that hermeneutics has an "element of artistic license," then I disagree with your characterization of hermeneutics. I agree with the "art," but not the "license."
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:To steal a phrase from Kenton Sparks, the Bible is "God's Word in Human Words."
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2162 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote: Message 1 How does a teacher of religion know (and they should know because they *are* teaching this as the truth to people) that the non-literal interpretation of creation is actually what God meant and not just what the teacher *thinks* God *meant* to say? Sure you can cross-reference, and that's what we saw in the 6 Day example in the other thread (cross references to both ancient language and modern science), but how do you know you are cross-referencing the correct material/evidence? quote:I agree that our goal is to try to understand what the original authors meant. And I agree that we can never know this perfectly. But I see no reason to "throw in the towel" and relegate it all to guesswork. By studying the language, history, and culture, we can come closer to understanding what would have been meant. In the last century we have discovered new information about Babylonian, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian creation stories, and these can help us to understand the thinking and the context of Genesis.
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