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Author Topic:   Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)
Huntard
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Message 163 of 480 (562850)
06-02-2010 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 6:14 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
These nerves are essential as vocal chords and for the act of swallowing.
Evidence please? {ABE}: I mean for the fact that if they would be going there directly, that we wouldn't be able to swallow or talk like we do now.
The great designer has shown once again that his intellect is far superior to ours.
Seeing as you have just asserted stuff here and not shown any evidence for these assertions, this conlcusion is invalid.
Edited by Huntard, : clarity

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Huntard
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Message 166 of 480 (562865)
06-02-2010 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 9:09 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
Can you provide evidence that this is not the case?
Oh no mister, that's not how it works.
You claim that if the laryngeal nerve wasn't wired the way it is now, we would have trouble speaking and swallowing. Now, either provide evidence this is the case, or admit you made that up (or somenone else did, and you just repeated it without checking). Don't shift the burden of proof, I made no claim, you did. I simply ask you to provide me evidence before I believe you.

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Huntard
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Message 169 of 480 (562868)
06-02-2010 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 9:21 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
If I did or did not present any evidence what will you bring to the table? You have said nothing about your own assertions or opinions! I guess you don't want us to know what you are thinking? Are you hiding something or maybe you know I am right?
Oh please. You will get our reaction as soon as you provide evidence. I'll tell you what I am thinking once you provide evidence. No, I'm not hiding something and no, I think you are dead wrong in fact. That's why I ask you for evidence.
I must say you are doing a mighty fine job of not providing any evidence, that's for sure. Doesn't make your case look any better.
Oh, and a free tip, use the "peek" button on the bottom right of this post to see how I dod that neat little quotebox.

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Huntard
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Message 172 of 480 (562874)
06-02-2010 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 9:44 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
Thats ok...I have work to do anyway. I am a flying visitor and to be honest I can't be bothered.
Ok, thank you for your admission that you were talking from your ass. Even if it was a veiled one.
But your rebuttal indicates to me that you are evolutionists and no amount of evidence would suit you anyway.
The fact that we are evolutionists means we will absolutely be swayed by the evidence, we're not creationists afterall. But thanks again for admitting that you just made some shit up. Lying for jesus must be rewarded, right?
See...I can do nice quote boxes too....
Thank you for that.

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Huntard
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Message 175 of 480 (562880)
06-02-2010 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 10:01 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
You mentioned the Big J not me. Seems you're more religious than I thought.
Shifting the topic are we? You're not a christian then? Ok, lying is rewarded, right?
Nothing in reality can ever be proven one way or another.
I'm not asking for proof, I'm asking for evidence. Please show that if the laryngeal nerve is wired differntly, speaking and swallowing problems arise. How hard can that be? There must be some individuals in which it doesn't run the way it does with the rest of humanity (check out Wounded King's post), do they have trouble spkeaing or swallowing?
It's all down to personal opinion and belief.
No it isn't.
Thats why your appeals for evidence remain unanswered.
No, they remain unanswered becasue you haven't got any. Ah well, another one bites the dust. But after your very first post? That's pretty bad, man.

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Huntard
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Message 180 of 480 (562891)
06-02-2010 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Big_Al35
06-02-2010 10:34 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
The reality is that you have not provided any convincing arguments to counter my claims.
We don't have to, you haven't even shown that your claims are true.
Whilst I accept that I could (on another day) have made more effort in furnishing you with the so called evidence that you are after, you must appreciate that I must protect my sources from the kind of abuse that I am getting now.
Really? That's the best you can com up with? Whatever makes you think I would ever abuse one of your sources? If they show me evidence that your claim is true, I will regard them as reliable on this matter, that is all. Now, of course, you don't have any sources, but that's another matter.
Your actions have made me less likely (not more) to provide links or other data.
You don't have any data, that much is clear.
The postings and replys have in effect led to a nil result as neither one of us has put up evidence to confirm or deny any of the claims.
Of course. The fact that you have nothing has nothing to do with it.
Readers can now go away and make up their own minds despite your hollow claims of victory.
On the one hand we have someone making blind assertions left and right, and when asked for evidence, instead of providing it dodges and weaves so much that it is clear he hasn't got any. On the other hand we have people who recognized this fact and replied accordingly.
I think the outcome is pretty clear.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 192 of 480 (563101)
06-03-2010 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Big_Al35
06-03-2010 9:24 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
You can't expect me to just reiterate someone else's medical journal...that would be plagiarism!
No, but you could tell us in your own words what it says and link to the original. At least then you can show that you're not just asserting this for which there is no evidence.

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Huntard
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Message 197 of 480 (563106)
06-03-2010 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Big_Al35
06-03-2010 9:52 AM


Dodging and weaving...
Weaving and dodging...
You really don't want to provide any source, do you?
Ah well, everytime you refuse to do so, it becomes more and more clear you just copied something from a creationist webiste and didn't check it, or that you made something up. So all I have to say is: "Keep it up! Show the world that creationism hasn't got anything to stand on!"
Oh, and Catholic Scientist has found a source that completely contradicts you!
Now what?

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 203 of 480 (563258)
06-04-2010 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Big_Al35
06-04-2010 5:55 AM


Re: Dodging and weaving...
You really have absolutely no clue how this works, do you?

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 209 of 480 (563292)
06-04-2010 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Big_Al35
06-04-2010 9:20 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
Diaphragmatic breathing is preferred to clavicular breathing due to the increased laryngeal tension promoted through clavicular breathing. "
Tension within the laryngeal nerve is a key factor in how the vocal cords function.
Laryngeal tension is not tension in the laryngeal nerve, you dolt.

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 214 of 480 (563301)
06-04-2010 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Big_Al35
06-04-2010 9:41 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
Injury to the external laryngeal nerve causes weakened phonation because the vocal cords cannot be tightened. Injury to one of the recurrent laryngeal nerves produces hoarseness, if both are damaged the voice may or may not be preserved, but breathing becomes difficult.
Yes, that's because injured nerves can't transmit signals effectively anymore, making control of the mmuscles difficult, leading to these problems.
Again, this says nothing about your claims.
Aren't we just going round and round in circles?
If you would finally give some refferences than we could stop doing that.
So far, everything you have said is wrong.

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2325 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 219 of 480 (563313)
06-04-2010 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Big_Al35
06-04-2010 10:14 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
"The first thing an irritated nerve does is to start to send messages to the muscles to tighten up. So the vicious cycle starts. Tight nerves lead to tight muscles. This is called Neuromeningeal tension. "
For this I'd need a source, I'd need to read the context. But I'm not gonna get any, am I?
{ABE}: Found the article this comes from. Guess what, that is not about the laryngeal nerve, furthermore, it doesnt mean "tight 'nerves" like you do, and even if it did, it says tight nerves are a problem not a benefit.
Once again you have been shown to be utterly and completely worng.
Presumably all these articles, scientists and experts are also wrong?
What articles, scientists and experts? I haven't seen any. I've only seen you assert some things. Some things that are comletely wrong.
Edited by Huntard, : Added {ABE} bit

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2325 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 221 of 480 (563318)
06-04-2010 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by New Cat's Eye
06-04-2010 10:29 AM


Re: vocal chords
Yeah found it, it doesn't say anything that can even remotely be used to support his position. But thanks mate.

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2325 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 230 of 480 (563865)
06-07-2010 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by Big_Al35
06-04-2010 10:53 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
Nice to see u guys actually doing some work
We shouldn't have to.
thinking and making a contribution instead of leaving it all up to me.
You made no contribution, apart from "quoting" articles that don;t support your claims in the slightest. Got any real evidence, or would you care to retract?

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 233 of 480 (564113)
06-08-2010 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Big_Al35
06-08-2010 9:13 AM


Re: vocal chords
Big_Al35 writes:
So you agree then that the tightening of the vocal cords cannot be achieved as efficiently when the laryngeal nerves have been damaged!
Uhm... yes?
You are therefore suggesting that the normal laryngeal nerve is constantly sending signals to tighten the muscles?
No I'm not. Where did I say this? This does not happen constantly, just when needed.
This means that the nerve and muscles would be in a constant state of overwork which would be grossly inefficient.
No, since it's not happening constantly.
If tension in the nerve and muscles was inbuilt then the nerve and muscles could remain relaxed and ready for vocalization at a moments notice.
This is self contradictory. Either nerves and muscles are tense (what is a "tense nerve"anyway?), or they are relaxed, they can't be both at the same time.

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