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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
The direct route option is readily available, and in fact already in the population. One way forward would be to find an individual who has both laryngeal nerves taking a direct route. I say both because one nerve would not be sufficient proof of anything. After all we can all manage perfecftly well with one kidney or one testicle. From the evolutionists point of view such a person would be at a distinct advantage and their vocal performance should be excellent.Infact they might expect such individuals to be more highly represented amongst singers, actors, in the theatre and for voiceover work. If the evolutionists can identify such a person, then this would be strong evidence that they are right. However, I suspect that 1) such a person does not exist and 2) if they do exist they are likely to have significant problems with vocalisation etc and are likely to be disadvantaged in this area. All those who have two non recurrent laryngeal nerves put your hands up!
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Wounded King writes: No, they wouldn't. Can you show us any evolutionist in this discussion who has said that the direct route would affect vocal performance? Catholic Scientist writes: No, you're wrong. If the nerves were rearranged and connected directly, then it would be easier for us to speak and swallow. The way they have been currently designed makes it harder for us. Therefore the great designer has shown us that he made a mistake in this design. As requested!
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
I can only assume that the evolutionists are being so stubborn about not wanting to pursue research into this field because if they are found to be wrong then the other function/purpose becomes strong evidence for intelligent design.
eg. if the secondary purpose of the indirect route was found to be as a sound/vibration dampener using the aorta then this would be strong evidence for intelligent design. Vibration dampening techniques are not a matter of life and death and survival of the fittest couldn't explain how such a sophisticated idea could get a foothold within the human body.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Wounded King writes: only because those lazy evolutionists won't do the work for you and substantiate your claims. I have no funding so I couldn't possibly investigate this matter for you nor am I affiliated to any creationist group so I don't have access to their funds. You are asking the wrong person.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Huntard writes: Then will you stop making claims you know you can't substantiate? You are suggesting that an if statement is a claim?
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Percy writes: Gee, Al, what a great idea, dampen vibration by routing the nerve right by the source of the biggest thumping vibration in the whole body, the heart. The RLN drops into the chest and loops around a ligament of the lung not the heart!
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
This is a better image clearing showing the lungs and the heart and the aortic arch.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Huntard writes: Would you mind pointing out for us where in that image the route the RLN takes is shown? (Hint: it isn't) I would hate to be someone seeking justice in the courts with you amongst the jury. The evolutionists criteria for valid evidence would ensure that we never have any convictions and is it any wonder that successful prosecutions are so rare. We now have criminals getting off scott free and getting away with murder. I wonder how you can get out of bed in the mornings. I mean surely you don't have enough evidence that daytime is for waking and nightime is for sleeping?
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
It isn't, that's just how I have scheduled my life. There are people that do it the other way round. That's right there isn't sufficient evidence and yet you have accepted that in your current circumstances, for you personally, daytime is for waking and nightime is for sleeping. It's called "beyond reasonable doubt".
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
LinearAq writes: Does this mean that you will now try to make the case for the routing of the RLN being a good design by providing enough information or evidence to show that your conclusion is "beyond reasonable doubt"? No because I don't believe you have successfully convinced me that the routing of the RLN is poor design to a level that I would regard as "beyond reasonable doubt".
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
It's poor design in the same way that running an electrical cable up and down your house when the point it needs to go to is only 5 feet away from where it starts. Haven't we heard this one before!
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Is it good design to run 100 feet of power cord around your living room, around the legs on the sofa, around the floor lamp, and then finally into the outlet that is just 3 feet from where you started? yes/no? It is not good practice to run a power cable through the middle of a room (where people could trip over it) just because its the shortest route. It is better practice to fix it, and run it against the skirting board even though this might require more cable.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
or are most of the rooms in your house only 3 feet across? A doorway need only be 3ft wide. Would you run a power cable directly across it making it inconvenient for people to come in and out? At the very least you would run the cable underneath the carpet or better still under the floorboards. Another option would be to run it above the doorway. Any one of these options would increase the length of cable required but would still be preferable. Placing it directly underneath the carpet would be the least expensive in terms of cable length but is still the worst option as people would be trampling over it all the time.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
The fact is, you don't have any rationale along the lines of the ones about electrical cabling. No one is walking across the path of the RLN. Remind me never to ask you to do any electrical wiring or circuitry at my place.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Percy writes: I think what people are trying to get you to see is that your analogy to wiring across a doorway doesn't match the RLN very well. Yes, but it wasn't me who brought up the wiring analogy. I just played along with the evolutionists analogy. My concern anyway is not that the path matches a doorway but that some contributors couldn't envisage the need for longer cabling in a domestic situation nevermind the more complex human anatomy structure. Perhaps a better example would be a window that cannot be opened. Nobody would be walking across it would they. A single wire would hardly even interfere with your field of view. I appreciate that some evolutionists might disagree with this though as they have already indicated that they find the blind spot an almost crippling disability. Most people would not consider routing a wire across a window as good practice although for every other purpose it might make perfect sense. Why would someone design the recurrent laryngeal nerve the way it has been designed. There need be no further rationale than because one can.
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