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jar
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Message 467 of 480 (568371)
07-05-2010 11:40 AM


Some years ago I posted what I considered to be a pretty simple example of how good design works. It can be found in Message 8 where I try to point out that from an engineering perspective there is no Intelligent Design.
I stand by that observation and so far no one has been able to show me any examples that might challenge that perspective.
AbE:
It seems that thread is closed and so since it is fairly short, I am copying the content of the post here.
jar writes:
There is also the fact that the designer is too stupid to adopt good ideas.
Consider cars. There are many species or kinds of cars, Packard, Ford, Chevy, Mercedes, Humber, DKW, AutoUnion, Alfa Romeo, Citroen just as there are many kinds of mammals, lions, tigers, bears, man, orangutan, elephant, horse and of course, ohmys.
The difference between something designed, like cars, and those things that are not designed like mammals though can be seen in the difference in how good ideas do not propagate through out the living species or kinds.
In the early 1920s power windshield wipers appeared on the first car. Within only a few years they were found on every car.
In 1923 the first standard equipment radio appeared. Within only a few years they were found on every car.
In 1939, Buick introduced turn signals. Within only a few years they were found on every car.
The list is almost endless.
  • electric wipers instead of vacuum.
  • internal combustion engines.
  • radial tires.
  • heaters.
  • air conditioning.
  • roll down windows.
  • headlights.
  • mirrors.
  • steering wheels.
  • tops.
  • spare tires.
  • space saver spares.
  • starters.
  • the change from generator to alternator.
I could go on but that list should give you an idea.
In each instance this was a new feature that first appeared in only one make, sometimes only one model of a car. The designer though took good ideas from one model and applied those same ideas to EVERY model.
We do not see that when we look at examples of living critters. The humans brain is not then repeated in all mammals, the eagles eyes are not then repeated in all animals, good features, advances do not get incorporated across all the makes and models, species or kind, of mammals.
Looking at living critters what we find is NOT Intelligent Design.
Edited by jar, : add material from closed thread

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 470 of 480 (568374)
07-05-2010 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
07-05-2010 11:52 AM


Not really. We are talking about good ideas being copied across marques but also being modified as needed for the particular critter. The idea of a laryngeal nerve as implemented in living mammals is a great example of piss poor design. The designer that used the wiring harness for a giraffe in a mouse would be fired in a blue second.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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