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Author Topic:   How do scientists explain the cause of the Ice Age(s)?
Buzsaw
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Message 24 of 96 (571216)
07-30-2010 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
02-25-2010 10:38 PM


Classic Response
subbie writes:
Let's begin at the beginning. What makes you think that low temperatures and high precipitation are necessary requirements for an ice age? And from where did you get that notion?
More generally, let me make this observation. Your question is of a general type frequently found among creationists. You acknowledge that you are not scientist, yet you seem to think that you can conceive of a simple problem that will bring an entire scientific discipline crashing to the ground. What makes you think that you, a non-scientist, sitting in your recliner in your living room, know more about a subject than the hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands of people who have spent their entire lives studying it do? If a rational person were to pause for a moment and consider that dilemma, I think he would realize the absurdity of the proposition.
Let me put it another way. I take it you are a person who has spent a great deal of time studying the bible and considering its contents. I am not. How likely do you think it would be for me to be able to make a one sentence argument to get you to see that everything you believe about the bible is wrong?
On the other hand, perhaps you didn't come up with this "problem" with ice ages by yourself. Perhaps you got it from a creationist, either in person, from some book, or from a website. If is this so, I strongly caution you not to advance any such argument here again. Creationists as a rule lie about the evidence. I know several people have told you this already, and I don't really expect you to believe us, particularly since they subscribe to a proposition with which you agree. But you will not find much more than frustration here if all you can put offer is lies and misunderstandings from creationists.
I'm not trying to sound harsh, jason. I'm trying to get you to do a little critical thinking. I hope you see that, and I hope to stay around long enough to learn something.
Subbie, I read this relatively long response of yours to Jason. It's so familiar. It's the classic response we creationists get so often from you people. Tell me, Subbie; what, besides "you've been told" have you said to address Jason's message? The whole message of yours is essentially, "we, the science elite, have the corner on truth because we've been programmed into it all from kidegarten up through doctorate.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 96 (571219)
07-30-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Minnemooseus
02-26-2010 12:11 AM


Re: Hypothetical great flood - How does such lead to an ice age?
Minnemooseous writes:
I think a better route to take, would be to simply ask how this hypothetical flood (regardless of its reality) would lead to an ice age.
The consensus among many creationists, including me, is that the pre-flood earth had a vapor canopy creating a global warm terrarium planet. The flood destroyed this protective canopy, suddenly cooling the planet and freezing the flooded poles, including some tropical type stuff which, by the way, has been found in places like Siberia, etc.
This has been interpreted by secularists as an alleged ice age, allegedly ending about 10,000 years ago.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 96 (571231)
07-30-2010 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by jar
07-30-2010 8:29 PM


Re: Hypothetical great flood - How does such lead to an ice age?
jar writes:
Unfortunately Buz, the Biblical Flood has been absolutely refuted so even if you guys reach a consensus, it is simply wrong.
See Message 5 in "Was there a worldwide flood?"
Lol, Jar. Your alleged genetic silver bullet (quote below from flood thread) doesn't shoot down the flood. You people who continually deny the possibility of the flood consistently fail to factor in the implications of a Biblical pre-flood planet and atmosphere relative to radiometric dating metholody. You are assuming a relative uniformity which necessarily assumes the impossibility of a global flood. Your premise and the Biblical record premise are not one and the same premise in interpreting what we observe.
Jar writes:
Well, the geneticists can see bottle neck events in some species, but they are all at different times and most are tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the past.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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