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Author Topic:   how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 32 of 108 (572156)
08-04-2010 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
08-03-2010 11:38 AM


Re: And your solution...
How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East?
It supposedly stabilizes it in light of it being a relatively free society amongst nations that are more known for its repression. But I'm not really buying it. Jordan, for instance, is very modern.
Why do we need Israel?
Isn't the question moot? It sounds as if it is a loaded question, as if you have specific plans for Israel.
Whether we (whoever that is) needs Israel or not, they exist.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 40 of 108 (572167)
08-04-2010 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by jar
08-04-2010 8:47 AM


Re: The origin of teh question
Well, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all have some form of democracy, Jordan of course being a Constitutional Monarchy. Jordan and Egypt are both pretty advanced countries and Lebanon was until recently. I'm not at all sure that repression is any worse in Jordan, Egypt, Syria or Lebanon than it is in Israel.
Well, I personally agree, but I'm giving the Western rationalization. Hell, I'd feel more comfortable in Dubai or Bahrain than I would in Israel.
The best reason given so far has been that the US needs Israel to act as a surrogate threat so that the US does not appear to be the bad guy.
Israel spies on the US constantly and we don't do crap about it. If I were president, I wouldn't necessarily cut off all ties with Israel, but I certainly would stop giving them preferential treatment. If any of other middle-eastern nation was as aggressive about spying (on their own allies no less) as Israel is with the US, they'd be completely cut off.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 58 of 108 (572355)
08-05-2010 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Phat
08-04-2010 2:10 PM


Re: Does the world need Israel?
If the US stopped supplying Israel and if Israel were actually forced back to her pre 1967 borders, it would not foster peace any more than there is now, in my estimation.
Yes, I agree. Israel will be despised no matter what she does, seems to me. The question is, do we, as a nation, want to get dragged in to a fight that should never been our fight to begin with because of Israel?
The answer is: no
America's interventionist policies have gotten us in to more problems than the problems it's solved.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 59 of 108 (572356)
08-05-2010 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Taq
08-04-2010 4:31 PM


Perhaps some christians could help me out on this one. Is the US view towards Israel heavily influenced by the idea that a Muslim controlled Israel would prevent christians from visiting holy sites?
I think two things overlapped. Amongst the Christians it is almost entirely because it is supposedly prophetic, and the other is we felt sorry for the Jews in the Holocaust

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