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Topic: how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 1 of 108 (572007)
08-03-2010 9:31 AM
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The topic title really covers the question; how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 3 of 108 (572025)
08-03-2010 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by dronestar
08-03-2010 10:40 AM
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Not reasons for destabilization, looking for support ...
I agree those could be seen as destabilizing but in this thread I hope Buz or any who might agree with him could post their supporting evidence that Israel stabilizes the Middle East.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 7 of 108 (572029)
08-03-2010 11:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by onifre
08-03-2010 11:31 AM
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How does that piece property add stability? If what was needed was a nuclear threat in the area, how does a fixed base target like Israel afford greater stability than an offshore threat like a ballistic sub? Is a menacing threat to all other middle east nations a stabilizing force?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 108 (572030)
08-03-2010 11:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
08-03-2010 11:33 AM
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Re: And your solution...
What does that have to do with the question? How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East? Why do we need Israel?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 11 of 108 (572034)
08-03-2010 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by dronestar
08-03-2010 11:45 AM
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Re: Iraqi lesson learned
dronestar writes: Your post is good, but I think it important to show where US/Israel's menacing leads . . . Except that is NOT the topic of this thread. This thread is meant to cover only how Israel stabilizes the Middle East and why we need Israel.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 17 of 108 (572069)
08-03-2010 1:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by onifre
08-03-2010 1:41 PM
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onifre writes: Men with big guns own it. That property, plus Iraq and Afghanistan make for a great military strong hold, or at least presence, in the Middle E. Still not sure how that adds stability.
onifre writes: IMO, because it is recognized as a nation versus just an offshore ballistic sub, which is also in that area too. Are you saying the the purpose of Israel is to act as a tripwire for US actions?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 20 of 108 (572095)
08-03-2010 6:17 PM
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Topic please.
Please folk. This thread was meant to give Buz and others a chance to explain how exactly Israel stabilizes the Middle East and why we need Israel? Edited by jar, : missed two words, added "a chance"
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 23 of 108 (572101)
08-03-2010 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by onifre
08-03-2010 6:28 PM
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Re: Topic please.
All great points and it will be interesting to see what they say.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 26 of 108 (572116)
08-03-2010 8:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
08-03-2010 7:57 PM
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Re: Is it about religion, anyway?
What does that have to do with the topic? How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 28 of 108 (572120)
08-03-2010 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Coyote
08-03-2010 8:25 PM
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Re: Science
But how does Israel stabilize the region? Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon all support science and education. So does Iran. What makes you think they turned their back on scientific knowledge? Much of the poverty in the Middle East is by design and controlled by Israel. After all it is Israel that limits the power, water, jobs, materials, investments in much of Palestine. If poverty and fundamentalism are a problem, how does the existence of Israel moderate either factor? Edited by jar, : hit wrong key
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 108 (572154)
08-04-2010 8:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Coyote
08-03-2010 11:03 PM
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Re: Science
Yes, more and more research is being done all over the world on the ways that blood tests can replace a colonoscopy. Not exactly sure how that stabilizes the Middle East or why the US needs Israel.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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The origin of teh question
Hyroglyphx writes: It supposedly stabilizes it in light of it being a relatively free society amongst nations that are more known for its repression. But I'm not really buying it. Jordan, for instance, is very modern. Well, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all have some form of democracy, Jordan of course being a Constitutional Monarchy. Jordan and Egypt are both pretty advanced countries and Lebanon was until recently. I'm not at all sure that repression is any worse in Jordan, Egypt, Syria or Lebanon than it is in Israel.
Hyroglyphics writes: jar writes: Why do we need Israel? Isn't the question moot? It sounds as if it is a loaded question, as if you have specific plans for Israel. Whether we (whoever that is) needs Israel or not, they exist. The claim was made, by Buz not by me, that the US needs Israel. My question is "Why do we need Israel?" Some answers to that have been provided. The best reason given so far has been that the US needs Israel to act as a surrogate threat so that the US does not appear to be the bad guy. Edited by jar, : fix sub-titles
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 36 of 108 (572161)
08-04-2010 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 34 by Huntard
08-04-2010 8:53 AM
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Buz's position?
Huntard writes: And from Buz's standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks we need Israel pertaining to the end times. After all, without Israel, this is supposedly not possible. Well, until Buz shows up and explains why he thinks the US needs Israel I guess we won't know. So far his only attempt to explain his position was to provide a link to a news article from Binyamin Netanyahu. Of course, since Mr Netanyahu is the current Israeli Prim Minister that doesn't answer the question but might show why Israel needs the US. I wonder if Buz understands that the Israeli Prime Minister represents Israel's interests, not the US's interests.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 108 (572162)
08-04-2010 9:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 35 by dronestar
08-04-2010 9:03 AM
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Re: replay?
To link, peek at this. Message 15 There is also a somewhat longer and indepth discussion of the Middle East at So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West? Edited by jar, : add second link
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 43 of 108 (572201)
08-04-2010 2:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Phat
08-04-2010 2:10 PM
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Re: Does the world need Israel?
Phat writes: If the US stopped supplying Israel and if Israel were actually forced back to her pre 1967 borders, it would not foster peace any more than there is now, in my estimation.
nwr writes: It does keep the middle east in a steady state of hostilities. I guess that's consistent with one meaning of "stabilize". Critics may suggest that there are nations who hate Israel,(maybe justifiably so) who would eliminate it if they could. That has been the standard excuse for many years, at any rate. If the US stopped supplying Israel and if Israel were actually forced back to her pre 1967 borders, it would not foster peace any more than there is now, in my estimation.
Why? What supports your estimation?
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