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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
misha writes: How badly did you fail US History and Government? The founders did not start a pure republic or a pure democracy. They started a Representative Democratic-Republic. The original intent was to take pieces of the early Roman and Greek political systems and create a balance. Misha, sir/mam, did you fail English? Representative and democratic, as you used them, serve as adjectives to describe the noun, REPUBLIC, in your sentence. I learned that much as a little kid in a little grammer school in a little town in Wyoming some sixty some years ago. They founded a republic, the representives of which were democratically selected by the people by vote. Get it? Don't put words into my message. I did not say that the Republican Party existed at the founding. My clear implication was only that the Repubican Party was the party of a republic and not of a democracy. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Dr Adequate writes:
I laughed, and I gave you a high rating on that post.
Did anyone get it?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nwr writes: I laughed, and I gave you a high rating on that post. Did you consider the phrase "have emerged into" in your assessment of Adequate's response? I'm not sure he noticed it, or am I missing something here? Clue me in on what I missed so I can join in the frivolity. It appears that it doesn't take much to amuse some folks. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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DC85 writes: One thing that's been on my mind lately is the shift in thinking in what the word Conservative means. It certainly has changed. BUT... I don't think that is the issue. You do get close to the issue in the next section...
DC85 writes: It seems to me he was talking about his Christian views and not Conservatives. Today terms like socialist or conservative or liberal or Christian have nothing to do what the terms meant in the past. They have become little more than Buz words, meaningless crap used for driving the emotions of the non-thinking citizenry. Christian means the far right wing anti-science reactionary groups that during the late sixties and early seventies decided to take over a political party, first the Republican Party in the late 70s and more recently the Tea Party. These folk are not really Conservative, more reactionary fascists in nature, nationalistic, reactionary religious, looking to model society on a corporatist model. The coup was successful and they were able to get the crook and traitor Ronald Reagan elected. The terms today mean nothing. Conservative or Christian just means good; Liberal or Socialist just mean bad. Like I said, nothing but sloganeering. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Buzsaw writes:
It ought to be pretty obvious.Clue me in on what I missed so I can join in the frivolity. You misspelled "tenets" as "tennants" in Message 3. The response:
Dr Adequate writes:
Here "lessor" was used as a response to "tenant", but it was used in pun, to sound like "lesser" and thus keep the response on topic for the thread.If those are the tenants of the Republican Party, does that make them the lessor of two evils? I had a good laugh. You probably won't, because it isn't funny if it has to be explained to you.
Buzsaw writes:
That phrase was not in the reply that stimulated laughter.
Did you consider the phrase "have emerged into" in your assessment of Adequate's response?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
jar writes:
This is becoming quite the thread for jokes.
They have become little more than Buz words, ...
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But "emerged into" is certainly worthy of a chuckle.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: liberal or Christian have nothing to do what the terms meant in the past. They have become little more than Buz words, meaningless crap used for driving the emotions of the non-thinking citizenry. Christian means the far right wing anti-science reactionary groups that during the late sixties and early seventies decided to take over a political party, Oh. So then, why do so many who cite Christian violence and attrocities here at EVC do so in reference to the bloody inquisitions of the RCC popes and bishops. Certainly it can't be about modern evangelical Biblical fundies who follow the non-violent tennants of Jesus and his apostles. They simply argue, "Christianity has a history of violence." Athiests and skeptics have done this to the term Christianity for as long as I can remember. Christians, by and large do politics lawfully by the rules. They don't have bullys at the polls with clubs to intimidate like some do and they don't advocate an open borders felon voting and a whole lot of other devious tricks, etc to generate votes like (ahem) some do. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry but what does any of that have to do with my post?
In case you are confused about what I posted, here it is.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nwr writes: Since 1980, the conservatives have been working to destroy the status quo. How so?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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nwr writes: Since 1980, the conservatives have been working to destroy the status quo. How so? The recent batch of conservatives, the social conservatives, are entirely different. They are largely evolved from southern Democrats, and seem to want to impose their religious views on everyone else by political means. They are certainly not for small government and fiscal responsibility. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Certainly it can't be about modern evangelical Biblical fundies who follow the non-violent tennants of Jesus and his apostles. You're overgeneralizing --- Christian tenants are a diverse bunch. As Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions".
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Buz, I'm jumping in on your question but this isn't directed specifically at you. It is rather my statement on this thread.
I know a student of C.A.Bowers ( C. A. Bowers, Online articles and books ) I couldn't find the quotes on his website but I will put forth another way of thinking about conservatism based on this student's years with Bowers. Conservatism is an approach to life that considers how a change will effect not just our lives but the lives of our children and their children for many generations. Change is understood as risky and not undertaken for immediate gain. There are Christian conservatives such as the Mennonite and Amish. Indigenous peoples are conservative. The native Americans lived sustainably on this continent for thousands of years. The imperialist who are mining the resources of this planet and destroying the environment and destroying the native peoples have usurped the name conservative. Bowers names them "market liberals". The European values of exploitation and individualism along with the claims of their superiority are not conservative values. The so called conservatives of say the Republican party (the Democratic party is scarcely better) are involved in the destruction of the environment and of the genuinely conservative indigenous cultures and traditions. Though is is possible to be conservative and Christian most Christians aren't conservative. The dominant western industrial culture of materialism and greed has become just too ingrained in society and many Christians now embrace it as if it is the very thing their God has desired for them. My view is that the only true conservatives are the dwindling numbers of indigenous peoples, a few other social groups along the lines of the Amish, and the handful of dominant culture radicals who see that the very basis of civilization is a reckless revolutionary disregard for the environment, the needs of people, and the consequences of their culture of materialism.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
It sure sounds to me that you are confusing conservatism with conservationism.
quote: quote: This may or may not be on topic. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
My concept of conservative includes conservation but goes way beyond it. I am making the point that the idea that in the USA republicans are conservative is misleading.
Truly conservative societies exist. I'll mention Ancient Futures: Learning from Ladakh, Message from the Heart of the World, and Derrick Jensen's book The Culture of Make Believe. Market liberals and their imperialistic exploitation of the planet is a problem not only because of the environmental degradation they are implementing, but the social degradation that results from an emphasis on individual rights of one lifetime vs. the need for a society to consider all it's members including children, grandchildren, and so on for generations. These market liberals are continuing to destroy genuine conservatives like the Kogi, Ladakh, indigenous peoples everywhere. They are driving Mennonite and Amish farmers off their lands. The market liberals worship of money and corporate wealth results in severe injustice to people. This is why I cringe to hear people like Bush, Reagan, Cheney, etc. called conservative. They are imperialists and market liberals for whom money and power justify anything and they make decisions based not on what is good for everyone including our unborn but on how much wealth it affords them in their present lifetime. This is not how conservatives operate and it is just wrong for them to get away with claiming to be conservative when they are the enemies of the real conservatives often driving them off their lands so they can exploit oil or mineral wealth or for some other selfish get rich while leaving a mess for others for who knows how many generations. These are not responsible or caring people. They are dangerous and their attempts to deceive us by calling themselves conservative needs to be exposed. Edited by lfen, : corrected typo "if" to "it" Edited by lfen, : corrected a noun by adding "s" as it should have been plural.
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