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Topic: Is the bible authoritive and truly inspired?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Can the Bible be authoritative when there is not even a single Canon?
Yet that God was not even able to get a single list of what books should be included in his "whole counsel". Sorry but that God sure seems pretty incompetent. Edited by jar, : fix subtitle
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: That's easy
Don't forget there is no such things as "The Bible", no universal Canon but rather Canons that only recognize the first five books to ones that contain over eighty books.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: That's easy
Please show us how the fact that some book was written by 40 different authors over 1500+ years that presents a consistent message from the start to the finish about God's salvation message to man provides any support for the books being authoritative or inspired?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 283 of 386 (577507)
08-29-2010 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 281 by Buzsaw
08-29-2010 8:32 AM
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
Buz writes: The Holy Spirit never contradicts the written word. And how do you test to see that it is the Holy Spirit and not just a great New Mexico Burrito?
Buz writes: It is the spirit of Jehovah who inspired the writers and the one and same spirit of Jesus, son of Jehovah, the Biblical god. And where is the evidence of that? Jesus is the son of a spelling error? How sad to be nothing more than the son of a typesetters error.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 285 of 386 (577513)
08-29-2010 11:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 284 by Phat
08-29-2010 11:31 AM
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Re: Source Of Inspiration
Phat writes: If not, how can a truth seeker ever find encouragement or direction in life? Huh? Are you saying that the Bible (as if The Bible existed) is authoritative and truly inspired because you need it to be authoritative and truly inspired?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: God's Message of Salvation is Repentance and Being Born Again
John 10:10 writes: Those that have repented of their sins and have been "born again" by the Spirit through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ know the authority and inspiration of the of the Bible I have asked you many times now and still await an answer. How do you tell that it was the Spirit and not just a New Mexico burrito?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: God's Message of Salvation is Repentance and Being Born Again
LOL So try a different method. So far you have done nothing but spout dogma and chase your tale (pun intended).
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Source of Authority, Source of Inspiration
John 10:10 writes: Unfortunately you are the one who doesn't know that. Those that our Lord calls to Himself do! And once again, please tell us how they know that? How do they tell the difference between a message from god or the holy spirit and a New Mexico Enchilada?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Those who are being saved.
John 10:10 writes: Bart Ehrman never found true faith in our Lord Jesus Christ through the gift of His Spirit, relying instead on intellectual beliefs that had no substance. What procedures are used to tell the difference between "His Spirit" and a Chile Relleno?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 343 of 386 (586552)
10-13-2010 8:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 342 by jaywill
10-13-2010 8:14 PM
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Re: Those who are being saved.
jaywill writes: Then we are not that much difference in our sentiments. However, you did use the phrase "ANY" murder. Didn't you ? Of course abortion is not murder.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 347 of 386 (586558)
10-13-2010 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 345 by jaywill
10-13-2010 8:25 PM
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Re: Those who are being saved.
jaywill writes: Out of regard for the topic and our departure from it, I think I will not contribute to the drift more for now. Some people here want talk about Inspiration and such things concerning the Canon of Scripture. There is a little overlap. But I think the regular contributers to this thread want to discuss Inspiration. Yet there is no such thing as a universal Canon. In fact the ONLY books that are common to all the Canon are the first five books of the Old Testament. Are you saying that God was unable to inspire the committee of Canon? Or were there different inspirations for each committee? Or are all the Canon simply the product of man?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 352 of 386 (586568)
10-13-2010 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 350 by Nuggin
10-13-2010 9:15 PM
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Re: Those who are being saved.
Thanks. I hadn't be aware of this glaring contradiction in the actions and instructions of your main character. This is another fine example of why we know that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. An all knowing all seeing deity would not switch attitudes so radically between books. He wouldn't say "Okay, if there are some people in a town, I'll save it." Then later say, "Nah screw it, if the town is 99.99% faithful and one person who disagrees, kill them all!" Actually Genesis 18 is well worth reading in context, because it does not say what jaywill claims. In Genesis 18 the God character says he is down because he has heard rumors and that he is going to check the stuff out, but if it is "Word" he is gonna kill them all. It is Abraham that is appalled by the morality the God character is showing it calls him out on his position. It's Abe that says, "Yo, God, is that any way for the Judge to behave?"
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"Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thingto kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
The God character starts negotiating, backing off a bit but Abe stays on his case. We know that Abe didn't succeed totally but at least he tried.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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If the stories really are authoritative...
Dawn Bertot writes: Is it possible God already knew all these facts and was trying to demonstrate to Abraham that there were no righteous people there? BTW, were there any righteous people, there? Only a simpleton would miss the point that God was leading Abraham in a direction Tell me Jar, do you think Jacob, could take God in a wrestling match According to the story, no, the God Character did not know what was going on.
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20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Have you ever read the Bible? And yes, if you read the story Lot was there so yes, there were righteous people there. And about Jacob? Have you read the Bible?
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24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me." 27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered. 28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
In the story it is a draw, even though Jake is handicapped by the God character putting Jacob's hip out of joint. Edited by jar, : fix the subtitle
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If the stories really are authoritative...
Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: According to the story, no, the God Character did not know what was going on. Did God end up being right, even before he ALLEDGEDLY found out, what he supposedly did not already know. Well how about that, he was right after all it was for Abrahams purposes, not Gods. How convient of God to be omnipotent and omniscient, it just happened to work out, eh There is nothing allegedly about the story. It is very clear what it said and I even quoted it for you since it seems you had never read it. In the story the God character does not know.
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20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
But the important point is that Abraham did see that what God proposed was immoral, pointed it out, and the God character in the story agrees and modifies his behavior.
Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: In the story it is a draw, even though Jake is handicapped by the God character putting Jacob's hip out of joint. I wonder who that MAN was in the wrestling match? Wonder why it was a draw? Maybe like Abraham, he was trying to show Jacob something jar is it necessary for you to play the dumb card in every single post In the story the man is God, and the reason that it was a draw was that even after putting Jake's hip out of joint he continued to struggle. Even when the God character asks to call it a draw Jake continues. I quoted the passage for you.
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24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me." 27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered. 28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
Note the last line. According to the story the god character says "you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 363 of 386 (586618)
10-14-2010 9:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 358 by Coragyps
10-13-2010 11:15 PM
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Re: Those who are being saved.
More like an Alan Sherman single.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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