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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
isn't the scripture writings inspired by the same author According to some, but in reality it is more like the imagination of at least several hundred men. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
b.r. bloomberg writes: geologically speaking there is more than enough water to cover even everest by a mile or two,however what makes you think it was h20??when jesus said that whoever drinks of the water that i give him mean you will never thirst for h2o molecules????!!!!!! Is this why archaeologists and geologists can't find any evidence of a global flood ca. 4,350 years ago when it was supposed to have occurred? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
so what did he mean,grace or whatever,or h2o. Who, Jesus or the author of Genesis? The author of Genesis meant water. When I read passages like this:
On that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. [...] For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. What can I say? If that is not actually about rain, and a flood, and water, and the Ark floating, but about something else entirely, then by the same token the Gospels might really be about a rabbit learning to play the trombone. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4398 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined:
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By observation and reasoning one can see there is enough water to have covered the whole earth.
First one should see not the present high mts, themselves from the flood year crashes of the continents, but instead much lower mts or hills. So covering them is not demanding of so much water as it would now. Second there would not of been the great depths of the seas as now. the seas were dug out by the action of the flood year and so after the flood there was room for the water to drain off the land. Then there is all the water contained in the pores of rock beneath the ground. i once read that if it was taken out the earh would be drowned by tens of feet or so. then there is other concentrations of water in areas under the earth. then there is the underground water. Then the water in the atmosphere, ice, surface . So in fact there is plenty of water to have flooded the earth for about half of the flood year. Then it drained away. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add blank lines between "paragraphs".
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
By observation and reasoning one can see there is enough water to have covered the whole earth. First one should see not the present high mts, themselves from the flood year crashes of the continents, but instead much lower mts or hills. So covering them is not demanding of so much water as it would now. Evidence please.
Second there would not of been the great depths of the seas as now. the seas were dug out by the action of the flood year and so after the flood there was room for the water to drain off the land. Evidence Please
Then there is all the water contained in the pores of rock beneath the ground. i once read that if it was taken out the earh would be drowned by tens of feet or so. Well you read wrong
then there is other concentrations of water in areas under the earth. not much
then there is the underground water. Tied to molecules & ions which is under extreme pressure & heat and would biol the ocean is released poaching all life on your ark
Then the water in the atmosphere, ice, surface . Still not enough
So in fact there is plenty of water to have flooded the earth for about half of the flood year. Then it drained away. Drained where? Also, if the water was powerful enough to form the high mountains, that boat would have been swamped. The whole idea is nothing but a myth. No evidence of any global flood in the last 65 million years at least. No flood at the time the Biblical flood supposedly occurred, no genetic bottleneck, To much diversity of genetics, too many species of animals, Too small a boat to house the animals + all the food they would need for the duration. There are so many things that point away from the flood idea, that even with enough water, the idea is absurd. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
By observation and reasoning one can see there is enough water to have covered the whole earth.
If that's the case, we can do a test. You can actually do this yourself. The global flood is most often placed at about 4,350 years ago. At that time period we are dealing with soils, not geology. Soils of that age are extremely common, and occur almost everywhere--probably in your back yard. You could learn a little bit about soil science and do a small excavation in your back yard. If there was a flood of that magnitude there should be evidence in the soil layers at about 4,350 years ago. This could take the form of a significant water-deposited layer of some kind or a discontinuity due to erosion. Either way, it should show up in your back yard and most everywhere else. Or you could visit an archaeological excavation that cross-cuts that time period. Archaeological sites are easier to date than soil layers as there are a lot more materials which can be used for dating. You don't have to take our word for this--you can perform this test yourself. Get back to me with the results, eh? (By the way, I have tested somewhere over a hundred archaeological sites that cross-cut that time period. No evidence of a flood in any of them.) Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
In case you missed the above post.
I would hate to think that you are trying to ignore the wonderful test I described in that post.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I must presume that Robert Byers is a young Earth creationist (YEC). If such is actually true, your argument (and any argument against YECism) can be reduced down to some variation of "there is massive evidence that the YEC time frame is very wrong". YEC is wrong starting right at the Y.
As I see it (and this is also the admin-mode perspective), outside of the "Dates and Dating" forum, the old Earth evo side needs to argue from the "presuming the Earth is YEC young" perspective. Very possibly this consideration deserves its own topic. Alas, the non-admin mode is only capable of doing "Proposed New Topics" (PNTs) that the admin-mode would be inclined to reject. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Much of what creationists post concerning the "global flood" is contradicted by empirical evidence. Perhaps if they were to follow this flow chart things would proceed more smoothly:
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Good chart. Makes sense.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4398 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
All sedimentary rock below the k-t line is from the flood year. nOt just mere soils.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
All the rock below the K-T boundary is over 65,000,000 years old.
http://www.universetoday.com/39801/k-t-boundary/ The Above url writes: What is the K-T boundary? K is actually the traditional abbreviation for the Cretaceous period, and T is the abbreviation for the Tertiary period. So the K-T boundary is the point in between the Cretaceous and Tertiary periods. Geologists have dated this period to about 65.5 million years ago. Edited by bluescat48, : sticky key Edited by bluescat48, : added ref There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Having not participated in this thread as Percy in over two months, I will now assume a moderation role.
Robert, the Forum Guidelines state:
The full content of your Message 311 was this:
Robert Byers writes: All sedimentary rock below the k-t line is from the flood year. nOt just mere soils. Could you please provide evidence for the claim that sedimentary rock below the K-T line is from the flood year. For those of the countervailing view: Could you please provide evidence for the claim that sedimentary rock below the K-T line is from 65 million years ago and before.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It could be that you are just plain ignorant and so here is a link to the thread "The Grand Canyon from the Bottom Up.
It totally refutes that anything from below the K-T barrier can be from a single year. Enjoy and please stop making Christians and Christianity look so totally stupid. You embarrass us. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4398 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
it was just a side comment.
Anyways. This creationist sees the k-t line as the flood line. That is that all sedimentary rock and fossils therein are from the collection and deposition of the flood year., The rocks and fossils above this from events a few centuries after the flood. In fact the acceptance of the k-t line in modern geology and biology has been a great gain to yec creationism or many of us. they did the work to demonstrate a great sudden change in fauna and flora on earth from a disaster. We just know it was a flood disaster and not a rock from space.
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