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jar
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Message 211 of 286 (633228)
09-13-2011 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by jaywill
09-13-2011 4:35 AM


Jesus as Chimera.
I did not say I was worthless, but rather that if Jesus while he was alive on earth was some half man half god or even whole man whole god chimera, then the who point of his death and resurrection is just a farce and worthless.
And yes, I also said that the "encredible assurance and comfort that you are living unto that which abides forever" is nothing more than a cheap snake oil salesman pitch and not worth my time.

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jar
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Message 215 of 286 (633261)
09-13-2011 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by GDR
09-13-2011 10:31 AM


Re: Jesus as Chimera.
Jesus was certainly not the Messiah as based on any Old Testament meaning of the term beyond possibly being an anointed one like many others.
Let me try to address each of your points briefly at least.
First, I see three separate phases of Jesus, before birth, during his life here on earth and after his ascension.
Incarnation:
Incarnation means fully taking on the characteristics, becoming the thing itself. Jesus as born of Mary was just man, not God/Man, and I think that if there was a sacrifice, that is the real one, GOD becoming just man, not being able to control his bowels, having to learn to walk and talk, learn how to go potty, learning how to stand on one foot and blow spit bubbles and how to hop or skip, learning how to get along with other people, to express himself, communicate, earn respect.
Prophet:
Certainly he was a prophet, as is anyone that carries a message from GOD.
Son of God:
Many were called both "Son of God" and "Son of Man". Generally both meant "one that was beloved by God and given limited authority".
Messiah:
Christianity totally revised the meaning of the term Messiah as it changed the referent from an immediate change in the political structure and power structure to an afterlife.
My belief is, and it is just a belief, that Jesus before his birth and after his resurrection is divine. While he was alive and among us he was simply human.

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jar
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Message 219 of 286 (633332)
09-13-2011 4:07 PM
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09-13-2011 3:34 PM


Re: Who was Jesus?
Of course Isaiah does not have anything to do with Jesus.
I don't think that Jesus revised the meaning of the term Messiah and never implied that. It was the folk that followed along that revised the meaning of Messiah and of course rewrote Jesus back into their storyline.

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jar
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Message 221 of 286 (633370)
09-13-2011 6:52 PM
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09-13-2011 6:44 PM


Re: Who was Jesus?
I think a better case might be made for claiming he lead an Apocalyptic movement and really though that the world was about to end.
And if you want, start yet another thread on Isaiah and Daniel because I've never been able to find support for any reference to Jesus in either without really quote mining them deeply and taking most everything out of context.

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