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Hi CS,We been down that rabbit hole and if you want to discuss it again take your post and start a thread and we will discuss it.God Bless,

Hi CS, As I said the genealogy of the man created in the likeness of God has nothing to do with the Flood.If you want to discuss it then start a thread and I will participate as time premits. As you can see I am quite busy here. Where did you get this quote from?Who are you quoting? You care to present the facts that support your assertion? No I made no such claim.But these people do. Here Click animation.
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Here Scroll down to CONTINENTAL DRIFT.Everyone of those show all the water in one place and all the land mass in one place with no landlocked bodies of water.Kinda matches Genesis 1:9, 10 with all the water in one place with a patch of dry land protuding up out of the water.God Bless,

Hi Panda, I don't remember mentioning that you had to know the time.I did say you needed to know the geography of the Earth at the time of the flood and what happened thereafter to be able to figure out what you would find.IOW if the water was in one place and the dry land was only 1 foot above sea level it would not take much water to cover the highest part of that land would be 15 cubits of water. Using the largest Hebrew cubit that would be 30.6 feet of water + the 1 foot to sea level. So 31.6 feet of water would be required, which would be 8.6 feet below the bottom of the door that was in the side of the ark. The ark wouldn't even have to rise off the land it was sitting on.Now when the water receeded what sedements would there be on the dry land mass.Taking into consideration there was no mountains to wash down into the low places and the water rose from the fountains of the deep all around the land mass until it was covered, with the rain falling at the same time.Now some 300 years later the Earth is divided into what we see today everything would be moved and there would be no evidence of a global worldwide flood.After such an event, what would you expect to find? I am not sure of the date but I will go out on a limb and say I believe the Earth was divided as stated in Genesis 10:25 during the lifetime of Peleg.Do you have evidence that it was divided at a different time?If so present it.God Bless,

Hi Percy, Yes in my avatar that is a body of water I placed in that avatar this so I could ask the question, "Is all the water in my avatar in one place?"In Message 92 I wrote and asked you a question at 9:50 AM this morning. I had just changed the avatar from the one with the Hebrew on it.Had you answered the post rather than acknowledge it the question might have registered.

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My avatar is a compacted version of Pangea, with a landlocked body of water in it.

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In my avatar is all the water in one place?

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Then where was it? That is weird. When the water collected in one place the dry land appeared.So where was the water?It had to surround the wet Earth. I just read the text and accept what it says.After all I am arguing what the KJV Bible says.I will take care of the avatar and put up my original without the water that I have used for the past 2 years, at different times.God Bless,

Hi jar, Great evidence found Here .

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The Klasies River Caves are a series of caves located to the east of the Klasies River mouth on the Tsitsikamma coast in the Humansdorp district of Eastern Cape Province, South Africa. The three main caves and two shelters at the base of a high cliff have revealed evidence of middle stone age-associated Humans habitation from approximately 125,000 years ago. The 20 m thick deposits were accumulated from 125,000 years ago. Around 75,000 years ago during cave remodeling the stratigraphic sediments were moved out into external middens. Other scenarios for the discontinuous stratigraphy suggest natural factors like megatsunami washout or inconsistent dating.

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A mega tsunami washout. Sounds like they were flooded at sometime.God Bless,

Hi Dr, Who said there was not enough water to float the Ark?For someone with a PhD your reading comphrension is dismal.How did you miss the word after IOW?IF you will notice it is an "IF" making everything that followed an if statement. Yes but there is one problem with the statement.The word mountain did not exist until the 12the century and until the middle of the 18th century it was used to describe the hills around Paris. The highest elevation around Paris I can find is 322 feet. The lowest I can find is 118 feet.So when the Hebrew word הר was used about 3500 years ago it did not mean mountains as we know them.The primary meaning of הר is hill, hill country. Therefore should have been translated hills.The origin of the word 'hill' is unknown. The primary meaning was rising land.So land that rose 1 foot would be considered a hill but I will assume in Genesis the writer was refering to something somewhat higher than that. I just don't know how high.We let our preconceived notions, ideas, and beliefs get in the way of the truth and real knowledge sometimes.God Bless,

Hi jar, You didn't like the wikipedia article, neither did I.Maybe you will like this even less from a pdf file you can find Here

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Site, Stratigraphy and Dating
Main site has been described in the literature as a series of caves and shelters, 1, 1A-1C and 2. It is a single depository (Figure 4) and the deposits have accumulated against the cliff face, spilling over into the cave openings in the cliff. The base is the 6 m rock bench and on this are piled 20 m of sediments. The pile of sediments, originally anchored between the cliff and a seaward dune, was truncated about 6 000 years ago when rising sea levels undercut the deposit. The slip feature caused by this erosion is clearly visible and it is estimated that two thirds of the deposit was removed by slumping. The trace of the original cone of deposition is marked by remnants cemented to the cliff face.

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The 20 m of sediments is over 65 feet. As I understand Otzi, had medical treatment that was not available until 1000 years after his proposed death as well as a copper axe that was not available until 1000 years after his death.You think maybe they got their dates of his death wrong?Rather than the other two being wrong. Just a thought. Why is his location evidence the area was not flooded?Are you saying glaciers did not exist at the time of the flood? Being frozen in one and found with part of him out of the glacier which could have been revealed by the melting of the glacier due to the water the glacier was floating in.God Bless,

Hi Dr, I am not sure according to the text that the mountains of Ararat existed at the time of the flood.The location did.They did exist at the time of the writing of Genesis so Moses would have had knowledge of them as well as all the copyist that copyed the tablets and scrolls.But as I understand it mountains and mountain ranges are caused by subduction of one plate diving under another plate with the result of raising of the upper plate into high elevations of material due to heat and expansion and even volcanic action.That would not have taken place until the land was divided.One of the most amazing things I find about the hypothesis of how Pangea formed and then divided is the ability of all the continents heading toward each other stoping and then reversing their direction.I guess on their journey to form Pangea the plates were not diving under each other. As to separate they would have to remove themselves from under each other. Kinda boggles my mind. No.The translators who translated the KJV Bible translated the Hebrew word הר in Genesis 7:20 as mountains but in Genesis 7:18 they translated the same Hebrew word הר as hills.Translating from Hebrew to English is not an easy task.It is like me trying to understand words that I am accustomed to mean a particular thing and then you or cavediver or someone else tell me well in the scientific community it means an entirely different thing. If a translation of a Hebrew word required one of those meanings how would you choose which word to use? Thus the problem with translation. From the etymology dictionary found Here.

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O.E. hyll "hill," from P.Gmc. *hulni- (cf. M.Du. hille, Low Ger. hull "hill," O.N. hallr "stone," Goth. hallus "rock," O.N. holmr "islet in a bay," O.E. holm "rising land, island"), from PIE base *kel- "to rise, be elevated, be prominent"

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Do you know how high the hills in Genesis 7:18 were?
Or the mountains in Genesis 7:20 was?You could say they were as high then as they are today because they are that hight today. Which would be circular reasoning.According to the text being discussed the water was all in one place which would have put the dry land that protruded up out of it in one place. Here is what scientist envision Pangea looking like.Looks very similar to what I have been puting forth that the Bible teaches, wouldn't you agree? I really don't care how high the hills were.I can't prove how high or how low they were.But according to the text the dry land God called Earth in Genesis 1:10 was divided in the lifetime of Peleg after the flood had taken place.Science tells me that mountins are caused by plates diving under other plates.So how high could the hills be if the only subduction was caused by the water being gathered into one place?I referenced this site above that illustrates this pretty good. HereGod Bless,

Hi Trixie, From Message 1

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I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does not support any of the above arguments.

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I will argue the text found in the KJV , LXX, and Hebrew Text does support a world wide flood.

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Since I wrote the OP I do know what it says.God Bless,

Hi CS, You could be right. I only have one problem wih your presentation.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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That says He called the dry land Earth.He did not call the dry lands Earths.Now if you can find me a Scripture that says lands and Earths I will reconsider my position.God Bless,

Hi CS, Then why are you saying I put the flood between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2?That is your statement not mine. To get the picture you posted you have to move the bar to the right if you leave it where it is without moving it there is no water in the picture. I think you are off by a few trillion years or more. Genesis 1:2 says it was covered in Genesis 1:2.Why would there be a bottleneck?In Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."God created mankind male and female created He them.It don't say how many he created just that he created mankind male and female.There may have been a thousand.So the 5 women involved in the human race after the flood could have had a wide MtDNA.I thought Mitochondrial Eve was dead when they discovered that not all mtDNA came from the female. No the picture you have is after you have moved the animation bar to start the animation.Before you moved the animation bar to start the breakup there was no water, as anyone can see. It also gets us to a map of Pangea just above the animation that has no water shown on it. The one on the left is not land locked. The one on the right is land locked and I can see it after looking with my magnifying glass.I am scheduled for eye surgery Janurary 26 to remove cataracts, so my vision is far from perfect. Well you cheated on the first one.
The map of the second one does not show any land locked water.
The third one does have one body of land locked water But one island would be called land, two islands would be called lands.God Bless,

Hi Rahvin, There are 6 bodies of water called seas that are land locked that means there is no outlet to the oceans.Those are 6 individual places that water is and is not connected to any other ocean or sea.God Bless,

Hi Percy, Then show me the verses say something other than I say they say. No I am saying the Bible says the same thing about the Earth that Scientist have said.The land was in one place. Pangea
The water was in one place Pangea. 1 super ocean.

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Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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Water gathered together in one place.
Dry land called earth protruding out of the water.Another verse supporting one land mass.

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Genesis 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

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The same Hebrew word ארץ is translated Earth in Genesis 1:10 and 11:8.So the dry land in 1:10 is the same piece of dry land the people were scattered abroad over the face of all the earth.The people were scattered all over the Earth.If all the land mass was not connected they would need boats to go to any other island. How would they know the island was there?Why would any of those folks build a boat and set out in the ocean looking for another piece of dry land just because they could not understand what a lot of the people were saying. There was plenty of land to go around. So they just moved to a different location.Just like the animals did after the flood.But I reckon we could insert a little magic and God could have picked them up and put them on all the different land masses everyone here is telling me existed.The problem is the text does not say that.God Bless,

Hi CS, I lived in the Cayman Islands for 15 years I did not live in the Cayman Island.I lived on Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands.To get to Little Cayman I had to fly, go by boat or swim the 75 miles.From Little Cayman to Cayman Brac was a little easier they were only a little over 3 miles apart with the water over 2000 feet deep between them.They are all part of the Cayman ridge. But they are 3 separate pieces of dry land and any one is refered to as Island but all 3 are refered to as the Cayman Islands. Plural more than one. If you had bothered to read Message 98 which you responded to by in Message 102 saying:

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Yes, thank you.

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You then left that and ask an unrelated question about Genesis 4:25.Here is what you asked for and apparantly did not read but thanked me for producing it.

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1. In the Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. Genesis
   1:1.
2. The history of Genesis 1:1 is given in Genesis 2:4 through
   Genesis 4:25.
3. The seven days of Moses is recorded in Genesis 1:2 throuth
   Genesis 2:3.
4. About 1700 years pass and man is wicked and God decides to
   remove them from among the living, but Noah found grace in the
   eyes of God. Genesis 6:8
5. At this time all the water is still gathered into one place as it was
   in Genesis 1:9, 10 with the dry land protruding out of the water.
6. The people as they move eastward decide to build a tower to
   heaven so they will not be scattered abroad over the face of the
   Earth. Genesis 11:4.
7. At this time the people all spoke one language. Genesis 11:6.
8. God scattered the people over the face of the Earth (dry land of
   Genesis 1:9). Genesis 11:8.
9. Peleg was born about 100 years after the flood and lived for
   239 years, during which time the Earth was divided. Genesis
   10:25. 

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I hope this is what you was asking for.

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Pay close attention to #4, whiich follows # 3. But when the animation starts the land has divided the moment you move the bar. Why not use a cartoon of pangea all the rest are the imagination of some man as nobody was there to record it.Just as there was no one there in Genesis 1:9, 10.God Bless,

Hi Trixie, Did He say the water was to gather to one place?

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1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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Does the underlined/bold say waters gathered together unto one place? Yes/NoDoes the underlined/bold say let the dry land appear? Yes/NoDoes that mean the water gathered to one place causing dry land to appear which God called Earth?

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Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

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Does that say God confounded their language? Yes/No

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11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

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You already said God scattered them.But does the verse say upon the face of all the Earth? Yes/NoIf no, how many faces did it have?Does the verse say THEY LEFT OFF TO BUILD THE CITY? Yes/NoIf God had taken them by magic and place them in different places on the face of the Earth, How did they leave of the building of the city? If you answer no to any of the questions above you are in disagreement with me.Present what the text says.God Bless,