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Thank you. I do, in fact, look forward to talking to those two Sisters. This thread has certainly helped me out a lot, especially with respect to further investigation on my part. I doubt they can convert me away from Islam, but it has certainly made me take more notice of what I used to class as a "fringe religion".

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The problems with both Islam and Mormonism are as follows:1. Neither the BOM or the Quran, the so called holy books of these religions contains any fulfilled prophecy that the Bible didn't first provide to show them to be supernatural.2. Neither of these Johnny come lately books provide anything whatsoever in them to help us in this life or the life to come that the Bible didn't first provide. I've challenged Mormons on many occasions that if they could refute this I would become a Mormon. (I knew I was safe.)3. Both books are dependent on the testimony of one author whereas the Bible was authored by about 40 different men from all walks of life, both rich and poor, educated and non-educated from kings to fishermen with a common thread of the history of the world from beginning to end (some future}, so far with all prophecies in tact.4. Both prophets borrowed from the Bible, using distorted plageristic material.5. Both prophets contradict the Bible in much of their doctrine.6. Both religions require membership/adherance to their human organization to receive the spiritual benefits of the religion, whereas Biblical Christianity requires no adherance or membership in any one human organization to receive the benefits and salvation promised in the Bible, though some might try to teach otherwise.

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That's not even close to Biblical, just so you know. The mark is on his forehead, not his entire skin.

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I'm not aware that Cain was suppose to have either a mark on his forehead or black skin. Where do you arrive at this mark? The races were not created, imo, until the Tower of Babel which came later at the time of the creation of different tongues, each tongue going to their separate locations. Likely it took some time for the pigment of blacks to darken. Something physical evidently did occur supernaturally with the genes of the various languages at that time by God.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-04-2003]

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buzsaw is absolutely certain that the Spirit is guiding him in the ways of Truth.

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Fundamentalists don't go by any spirit perse. We go by what is written. In the case of the Bible, the Holy Spirit inspired the writings of the book. The Spirit does help us in giving understanding in the light of all the contexts relating to a scripture and gives us a spiritually inclined mind.The danger in going by a spirit is that there are many spirits who are evil and lead to falacy and deception.If I see a prophecy in the Bible I look at history and current events for fulfillment. The Spirit has already done his work when the prophecy was given. All I need do is look for the fulfillment. That's religiously scientific factual stuff. The Holy Spirit doesn't need to help me read my history book and newspaper. I can do that and decide whether to accept or reject those recorded and observed facts. Isn't this how true science is suppose to work? The Bible covers historical stuff only about 6000 years. The problem with modern science is they're claiming to know what conditions were in place millions to billions of years old and that takes a lotta speculation in interpreting dating data.

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Schraff, if you believe and know God has heard you it does work (do you think I'm lying). Why should there be any special cases, if there ARE believers?

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There are some other conditions besides faith to be met for Biblical answers to prayer. Don't ask me to document here as that's not the subject here, but check it out. I don't see why one who badmouths the true god Jehovah should expect to get anything from him without repentance to begin with.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-04-2003]

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Buz,
What about you. Do your prayers get answered? and does your faith usually affect this?

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Yah, Mike, I've been getting answers to prayers for 57 years since I became a Christian at age ten, some very spectacular and others more routine. The closer I get to God and his book and the more spiritually in tune I get, the more I see this. However I've learned some Biblical fundamentals to getting answers from God, like obedience to his words, praying through Jesus the mediator, etc. Having said that, I must confess there are times when I've been chastized by God too to keep me on the straight and narrow as also taught in the Bible. One must remember, God dealt rather harshly with his own nation as well as the heathen nations. He is to be respectfully feared by all, especially when not obeyed or acknowledged. After all he is god and we are mere men.

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To quote the prophet Jacob, ?Brethren, adieu.?

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Too bad I got to this thread so late, but theOtter, why not return for a few posts and convert me to Mormonism by showing something in the BOM that will truly help me in this life or the life hereafter that the Bible hasn't already provided. I've been at Mormons to do this for me for decades, but so far they all come up impty. This should not be too much to ask since you people claim the BOM is a needed and necessary addition to the Bible.

Post deleted by buzsaw. My apologies, Asgara. I didn't go back to your admonishment about topic until after I went to page 8 and posted. You're doing a good job and your advice is well taken [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-04-2003]