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rueh Member (Idle past 3691 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
Hello Zen Deist,
Do you agree that these Yule tide customs and timing have been adopted from other beliefs? Yes.
Do you agree that some Christians are trying to take over the celebrations and festivals from other cultures, traditions and beliefs? No. I think that the celebrations and festivals have already been taken over. At this point, Christians or anyone who celebrates Christmas are only celebrating their own traditions. The first recorded history for a Christmas tree goes back as far as 1441. Over the years the exact specifics of the tree and celebration have changed but the overall tradition remains. I believe that qualifies as being around long enough to justify calling it their own tradition, as opposed to taking over others traditions.'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality. It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi jar,
Benedict XVI's Christmas Message writes: "The Word became flesh". The proclamation of Christmas is also a light for all peoples, for the collective journey of humanity. "Emmanuel", God-with-us, has come as King of justice and peace. I'm confused, does this mean that Pope Benedict XVI started the Christian War over midwinter festivities by celebrating a Christ Mass at this time? http://www.vatican.va/...io_20050419_short-biography_en.html
quote: It seems to me that his proclamations were made long after Christians started taking over "Christmas" from older beliefs? Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Is the Pope Catholic?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I have little problem blaming him, after all, what is the point of having guilt if you cannot delegate it?
But no, that post was simply a response to the assertion that " biblical references are for protestants. " Christianity has a long, honored tradition of simply taking over most everything from earlier religions. After all, Christianity remade Passover into Easter, Shavout into Pentecost. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Presumably symbolizing the three wisemen bearing offerings for a new god? Nope you have Grandpa coldSanta claus and Miklau santa claus and miklau are from the christian side grandpa cold is just a guy that they invented so none christians are not left out but most get gifts from all 3 Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Do you agree that some Christians are trying to take over the celebrations and festivals from other cultures, traditions and beliefs? Isn't it common knowledge that, when converting other cultures, Christians, instead of elimiating, simply adopted the local customs and doctored them up into their own?
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Isn't it common knowledge that, when converting other cultures, Christians, instead of elimiating, simply adopted the local customs and doctored them up into their own? Yea especialy when it comes to christmas just about everything in christmas is adopted from other cultures its like you put them all in a blender ran it for an hour then stamped jesuses name on it. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Yea especialy when it comes to christmas just about everything in christmas is adopted from other cultures its like you put them all in a blender ran it for an hour then stamped jesuses name on it. A lot of cultural shit goes down this time of year, what with the whole solstice thing. "Everybody is having parties already, instead of trying to cancel all these parties, lets just convince them to keep the party, but do it for Jesus instead." Ain't that a brilliant way to forward your religion!
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Ain't that a brilliant way to forward your religion! I wonder what our god hasto say about that dint someone provide a qote from the bible that said god does not want zou to decorate trees as a holidaz Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I wonder what our god hasto say about that
dint someone provide a qote from the bible that said god does not want zou to decorate trees as a holidaz Oh no he dint! Jeremiahs talking specifically about making idols... Christmas trees aren't for worshiping.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi reuh
Yes. Excellent.
No. I think that the celebrations and festivals have already been taken over. At this point, Christians or anyone who celebrates Christmas are only celebrating their own traditions. The first recorded history for a Christmas tree goes back as far as 1441. Over the years the exact specifics of the tree and celebration have changed but the overall tradition remains. I believe that qualifies as being around long enough to justify calling it their own tradition, ... Please note what I said in the Opening Post:
quote: A church can have their own celebration, but they cannot say what a US state (or other US) government celebration has to be or what it is called.
... as opposed to taking over others traditions. We have established that there are many faiths, beliefs, traditions, celebrations and cultures that occur during the midwinter\solstice\yuletide period. If in any doubt, see: Winter solstice - Wikipedia
quote: andList of multinational festivals and holidays - Wikipedia quote: In the US the "Holiday Season" generally runs from Thanksgiving to New Year's Day, and this is properly celebrated with a "Happy Holidays" greeting. Thus when a state government advertises and has a "Holiday Tree Lighting Ceremony" this is respectful of ALL faiths, beliefs, traditions, celebrations and cultures ... covering a period of time spanning the dates of many celebrations, including Christianity's birth celebration mass (even though there is no calendar day link between that purported event and the 25th of December). AND, when pundits and religious leaders talk about a "War on Christmas" - and claim that such celebrations of a "Holiday Tree Lighting Ceremony" are part of a "War on Christmas" -- they are actually talking about their war against other faiths, beliefs, traditions, celebrations and cultures. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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It is blasphemy to call any celebration that is to occur in a matter of days a "midwinter" one since, here in mighty Wisconsin, WE HAVE NO GODDAMNED SNOW YET!!! What is solstice/christmas/whatever without bloody snow?????? This is preposterous!
Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
quote: Unfortunately, common knowledge is not that common in some christian communities. It always cracks me up when christians claim that Jesus is the "Reason for the Season". If we really went to the source, paganism is the "Reason for the Season". Just tell one of the Christmas defenders that and watch their feathers ruffle.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Taq writes:
quote: I thought the axial tilt of the earth was the reason for the season. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Taq writes: It always cracks me up when christians claim that Jesus is the "Reason for the Season". If we really went to the source, paganism is the "Reason for the Season". Just tell one of the Christmas defenders that and watch their feathers ruffle. Sorry Taq, no one's ruffles are getting feathered. It was of pagen origin, who cares. Everyone knows dude. The Christians thought they would spice things up some and create a holiday along side the pagen one with the good news of the birth of Jesus and add some hope to a dying world. Mission accomplished ehe? It seems Jesus IS the reason for the season. Look around Taq.
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