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Author Topic:   Where is the point?
Faith 
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Message 13 of 45 (678800)
11-10-2012 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dogmafood
11-10-2012 10:35 AM


Re: Pointless
I wasn't going to post anywhere but on the DNA questions thread but this one is just too tempting, even though I'm pretty sure I'll only get unwelcome responses. Oh well.
I just think your questions are awfully intelligent. You really think about these things. So did I before I became a Christian. I strongly felt that life is meaningless, pointless, and I looked for meaning and found none. Not that I couldn't find plenty to occupy me pleasantly and productively in my little rut, but the question is, as you know, much bigger than that, and the happiness of the rut often serves only to blind us to the bigger picture.
I can't help but make this a gospel message I suppose although I'd like just to state the simple fact that when I became a believer I DID find meaning. I was NOT looking for God, I knew nothing about the gospel at all, nobody preached to me, or if they did I didn't hear it, tuned it out. It came up behind me and hit me on the head as it were. Through books. I read my way to belief in the God of the Bible over a period of a few years. I didn't join a church until years later. It took a while for the message of salvation to sink in: Salvation? Saved from what? Etc. etc. etc. I had a lot to learn. But the learning was immense joy.
About the "meaning of life," which is what you're asking about, the line from the hymn "Oh Holy Night" has always said it for me and it can still make me cry: "Then He appeared and the soul knew its worth." The soul knew its worth. If all we are is chemicals thrown up by mindless mechanical laws how can we have any worth? All the productive or pleasurable things we do, good deeds or whatever, give us no worth if we're just going to return to dust at the end of it all. That's what the question is about, isn't it? But now I know that the human soul has worth. All human souls. I wish all of you knew that.
So back to the DNA thread.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Faith 
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Message 19 of 45 (678943)
11-11-2012 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Omnivorous
11-10-2012 4:23 PM


Re: Howdy, ma'am!
Hello Omni.
Also hello to GDR. Lots of the same "faces" here still.
Look forward to your comments on my post. I would expect you to disagree, but HOW you disagree could be interesting.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 29 of 45 (679138)
11-12-2012 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by GDR
11-11-2012 11:18 PM


Re: Pointless
I think that is well put but I don't think it goes far enough. I believe it isn't just about our soul. The Biblical narrative ends with the renewal of this world and Heaven and Earth becoming one. We aren't told how but in some way humans are God's agents in preparation for and in anticipation of that time.
The point then is that it all matters, and not just what we do with our lives but what we do with our planet as they are both part of a renewed and eternal existence.
Our responsibility for the planet is important, of course, but it starts with recognizing that the human soul is made in the image of God, of enough worth that He came to die for our salvation. THEN when we know who we really are we can take responsibility for the rest of Creation as He intended us to.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Faith 
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Message 40 of 45 (679269)
11-13-2012 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Larni
11-13-2012 6:43 AM


Re: Foreveryoung
What a bunch of bullies! Wow! Leave the guy alone. If his behavior is beyond what is acceptable here, then ban him for pete's sake, but this kind of ganging up on the guy is indefensible.
He did some reasonable posts on the creationist road trip thread, I think I'll go add my cheers against the jeers he of course collected there. Not to get even with anybody, but I sincerely thought they were decent posts that didn't deserve the jeers.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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