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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
PaulK, as I said in the post above we do not know which animals were unclean before the flood, we do know which were unclean >1000 years later. The rules changed at the flood, then changed at the introduction of the law, and then changed again at the crucifixion.
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
Percy, the Acatlan complex was re-dated. They revised their opinions on how and when the Acatlan complex was formed.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2006/11/061117123212.htmAge data, newly unearthed fossils and chemical analysis of the rocks show that the complex is much younger than previously thought. It records a pivotal part of the Appalachian story not preserved elsewhere. (ps please help with quotes again)
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
Granny Magda, I like the concept of parsimony. This is why I get very frustrated when talking to evolutionists because of the apparent inability to think outside the "box" of evolution and look at what the facts actually say. Layering of fossils is the most logical reflection of a series of proliferations (population explosions) according to changing conditions. This is the observable process, more so than evolution. Thus when you have a change from a cool anoxic ocean to a warm anoxic ocean, you would have a change from cool anoxic ocean creatures to warm anoxic marine fauna. Then with a gradual change cooling to more oxygenated conditions you would have gradual changes to marine fauna reaching today's levels.
Regarding specifically the whales, I was incorrect to term them warm water, the logic is that they would have been in a cool water oxygenated inland sea, spreading to arctic regions during the flood. They would not have survived the warm water anoxic conditions of the Triassic and so would not be found fossilised there. Their later appearance would be associated with their movement away from arctic regions as oceans oxygenised and cooled over time. (not that they need the oxygen, but they feed on fish and plankton which need oxygen) Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given. Edited by mindspawn, : Explaining whales
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Does the redating described in the article invalidate any dates found through index fossils, radioactive decay dating, or other age data? Not as far as I can see. Instead the article seems to describe discovering that the complex is really part of the Appalachians.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
They seem to have found new fossils that validate the later dates. The new fossils, and the new origins (Appalachian origins) invalidates the earlier dates for those mountains.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Obviously when creationists describe fossils as "early Triassic", "middle Triassic", "late Triassic", etc, they are not just making this up us they go along, it's because they have used geological methods to put dates on them.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
They seem to have found new fossils that validate the later dates. The new fossils, and the new origins (Appalachian origins) invalidates the earlier dates for those mountains. You are avoiding the question. Where those 'invalidated dates' based on radiometry, previously found fossils, or other dating technique which is now shown to have been invalid? Apparently not.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Layering of fossils is the most logical reflection of a series of proliferations (population explosions) according to changing conditions. Um ... apart from your inability to find any of the populations that supposedly exploded; as set against the ability of paleontologists to find intermediate forms. It's one thing to think about the box, but you're thinking outside the evidence. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
No, Mindspawn, the portions of the Acatlan complex that had already been dated were not redated. What happened was that they found a previously unknown extension of the Acatlan complex in Mexico that formed much more recently than the older portion in the US.
You keep citing the same article (http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2006/11/061117123212.htm) in support of your strange belief, and all I can do is keep telling you you're misinterpreting it. Which do you think more likely:
--Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Which do you think more likely: Radiometric dating can be off by over a hundred million years, a fact that would shake to their respective cores both paleontology and physics, but no one has noticed or cares. You're misinterpreting the article. Uh, "shaken to their respective cores"??? Isn't that after all what he is trying to suggest?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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Granny Magda, I like the concept of parsimony. You like the concept. You don't seem to like it in practise.
Regarding specifically the whales, I was incorrect to term them warm water, the logic is that they would have been in a cool water oxygenated inland sea, spreading to arctic regions during the flood. They would not have survived the warm water anoxic conditions of the Triassic and so would not be found fossilised there. Except that during the Triassic, the poles were quite temperate. The "anoxic" conditions you keep talking about are entirely your own invention. The average temperature during that period was only three degrees Celcius higher than today; nowhere near hot enough to make the oceans anoxic, nor to preclude whales. Back in the real world, whales emerged in the Eocene and that epoch was, at times, even warmer than the Triassic. Whales survive just fine in tropical conditions. You keep making excuses for this P-T Flood idea, but at every turn your excuses fall apart. This presents you with a choice; either try again and make more flimsy excuses for your excuses... or grow up and admit that your theory is wrong. Mutate and survive
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NoNukes writes: Uh, "shaken to their respective cores"??? Isn't that after all what he is trying to suggest? Well, not exactly. He's claiming that the article describes a case where radiometric dating was off by over a hundred million years. And I'm pointing out that this would shake paleontology and physics to their respective cores, and am asking him to consider how likely this is given that no one has noticed or even cares, and am further suggesting he consider the more likely possibility that he has misunderstood the article. --Percy
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
Dr Adequate, this is not obvious. It should be, but in practice the assumption of the truth of the phylogenetic tree is used as proof of the phylogentic tree. So far this is the only argument put forward for dating those particular fossils, and so the whole argument is falling short through lack of evidence presented. I do not doubt the possibility there is evidence, I would just like to see it before assuming the statements presented are facts, fair enough?
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2690 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
quote:It is well known that Triassic oceans were anoxic. eonsepochsetc.com has expired
quote: quote: That's true whales do survivein the tropics, but they need fish or plankton to eat, and fish and plankton are not found in the anoxic conditions of the Triassic. Whales would therefore be confined to oxygenated waters, most likely found in arctic conditions. Edited by Admin, : Fix quotes.
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