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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Hi, all. I find this whole subject fascinating and I'm pleased to have found a place to discuss it all in a civilized manner.
I'm sure this has been asked already but here it is again: Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change topic title from "New here, questions for creationists" to "Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?"
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
I asked the original question not as a Bible study question but as science question. I'm new here, but I see a banner here with Creation Versus Evolution.
Is this subject taboo? Tell me now so I don't waste any more time.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
It looks like I've come to the wrong place. The fact that I asked the question in the science forum should be enough reason to leave it there.
I also didn't know it was up to someone else to determine which angle would be interesting. I asked the question with a view to open a discussion about the topic which I thought would be interesting. The inference that I'm 'dumb' for asking the question from a science point of view is surprising to say the least. Do you all judge so quickly? I guess I'll just leave it at that and consider myself and my questions unwelcome.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Of course I don't believe in the myth. My next question to any creationists was' how do you account for the different races of humans on the planet?'. I have since found the most ludicrous explanation on a bible study website and I assume I would have gotten a copy/paste of that.
My point was going to be that even if you believe in A&E, you would have to believe in evolution too, in order to account for the different races. A&E couldn't have been all races. A&E's descendants would have had to evolve, in 6,000 years. But now I see that those who do believe in the bronze age myths have an explanation for everything ... everything but the most logical, beautiful, proven theory off all. I'm not sure why I wasted any time on this!
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined:
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Thank you, all, for the responses.
I guess the bottom line in this world is live and let live ... so long as you're not hurting anybody. I'm one of the many who simply can't believe in the myth. I'm not an atheist by deduction, not choice. But I do have faith that the Universe is indeed unfolding as it should. All the best from the Sun Burnt Country.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
I just had a look at the first two Hugh Ross videos ... didn't impress me at all. Then I looked at another on YouTube of his --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd38yXXo3r4 -- which confirmed to me that he's he's just full of hot air.
As for the flood, since it's been brought up, here's a question for you: How did Noah (who was what ... 600 years old at the time?) A) Get a male and female of each Australian species, ie, kangaroo, wallaby, koala, platypus etc. on to his ark, and then B) Make sure that when the flood was over he put them back in Australia so that millennia later they would still be native to Australia and Australia only, without exception. I'm always constantly amazed that any adult can read the bible and see it as anything but a book of ancient myths. How do you believers believe?
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Well, as the original poster of this question, it sure has been interesting reading the responses, although I haven't read anything new from either side.
I am an Evolutionist through and through. I can only surmise that fear is what makes Creationists believe in the ancient myths. They certainly were written with that in mind, I'm sure. "Believe or you will suffer for Eternity"! I tend to think that deep down, way way down, they know that it's all hocus pocus, but I may be wrong. I will continue to enjoy the debate!
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Do you think that Eternal Damnation helps to steer some toward a particular truth?
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
quote: It seems to me that if one believes, as I do, that the universe and our planet are several billion years old, which is what scientific evidence points to, it's easy to conceive of our ancestors evolving over millions of years to become 'us', that the idea of 'man' is just how we perceive ourselves now. We are the most evolved primates, and judging from what I read in the news, we still have a long way to go. So, no, there was never a first man or woman. If on the other hand, if one believes that the earth is just a few thousand years old, it becomes impossible to believe anything but the Adam and Eve story. But then you also have to believe, for instance, that Noah somehow rounded up a male and female wallaby from my neck of the woods and made sure when the Flood was over, that he took them, and all other Australian marsupials, back to the Australian island continent (without any accidental breeding on the long journey home) so that today we ONLY see wallabies, kangaroos, koalas, wombats etc., in Australia. As much as I'd like to believe in an all powerful father-figure god who is going to grant me eternal life when I die, I simply can't. I'd be untrue to my highly evolved self if I ever said I did.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
If a concept tends to water down my thirst for God's presence and my enjoyment of living through Him, something must be wrong with the concept. There's your problem right there.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Don't jeer. Many people disdain a concept that makes them feel their own personal egos are not the center throne of the whole universe. I wasn't jeering, nor do I think my ego is the centre of the universe. What I meant was that you seem to have shut yourself from any truth other than the one you were told was the true truth. Being anything but open to any possibility makes it difficult to find the truth. I'm open to anything. My reasoning powers tell me that the bible is a book of ancient myths that were appropriate at the time of their writing, but if any can prove to me that I'm wrong, that there is a real hell and a real heaven and that simply saying 'I believe' will get me to the right place, I will certainly give it some serious thought. In the meantime, I'm happy to accept that when my time is up, I will going back to wherever 'I' was before my conception. I have no bad memories of that place, I'm not afraid of that place. As for being a good person on the planet, I believe that it is hard-wired into most of us to be good. Survival of the fittest includes being good, being compassionate, taking care of one another, helping others ... it's good for the species as a whole. We wouldn't be here if it were otherwise. There are aberrations, of course, because wiring and chemistry can be imperfect, but overall, we're good, as are the other animals on the planet. We don't really need a handbook on how to behave, it's built into us.
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