Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?

If you want to believe "reality" includes that a mindless, random, series of trillions of accidents weeded out harmful ones and selected its way to produce every living thing you can see in the mirror and right outside your door - the bugs, the trees, the birds, the grass, including the microscopic organisms in the water - you go on and believe that as reality.I don't have enough faith to believe that. The inner workings of the living cell makes it too unlikely to me. Maybe scientists can salvage what aspects of the theory are valid.I honestly don't think it is going to survive intact deep into the 21rst Century. I think like Marxism and Freudian Psychoanalysis it will be discarded as the third great mystery religion of the 19th century. (I'm paraphrasing a comment of Berlinsky).If I push a grand piano down from the top of Mount Washington and watch it tumble and crash over the rocks, I expect a horrendous cacophony of noise to follow. If I follow it all the way down the slopes, cliffs, and rocks down to the bottom of the mountain, I do not expect it to be sounding out in perfect harmony and counterpoint Bach's Well Tempered Clavier - Book #1.No, not without intelligence. Not randomly. Not without design. And not as a result of a trillion fortunate accidents among a trillion squared more unfortunate ones.The issue now is evidence for a common set of parents for all mankind. I think there is for starters only one race of people really. Someone recently wrote to me:

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The human genome project has proven that there is only one race. However, we have Australian [A]boriginals, African [N]egroes, European Caucasions, Asians, American Indians, [N]egritoes (Pygmies). We can no longer talk race, since there is only one race.

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[my edited in caps on Aboriginals, Negroes, Negritoes, and Pygmies]Paul under inspiration - " And He made from one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, determining beforehand their appointed seasons and the boundaries of their dwelling, that they may seek God ...." (Acts 17:26) I think that confirmation of modern science leans towards all humans being channeled to one parental entry point into the world rather than different parents in parallel.I don't think it is so hard to conceive that two original human beings are our furthest back ancestor. And when when you get into degrees of mature humanity among different "races" or arguing about who was first and who was a late comer, you get into some potentially nasty attitudes between peoples.Of course you can get nasty religious attitudes between people also. In coming days I will consider what more scientific evidence there is out there.I think there is evidence that the Bible is a communication from God who would know all the facts. We have here a consistent library of books written over 1600 years by 40 diverse people. The unity of such a writing over so long a time is unique. I include the divine characteristics of the book in adopting my attitude toward life's big questions.If it comforts you to say I m a slave to dogma, that's fine with me. A dogma can be about what is true sometimes. I think you seem to have your religious devotion to a troubled evolution theory which you have extrapolated from micro evolution examples way beyond reasonable bounds, imo.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You think that just because on some minor point here and there you can successfully argue about the behavior of some amino acid or other minutia that you have the rational high ground on evolution.The big picture is clear to me. Yea, on some minor points here and there you can dazzle me with your more familarity with evolution theory.By the way, if you want to talk about sounding foolish, I'll remember your tag id and point out how foolish you sound to more astute Bible students. I'll be examining your comprehension of the Bible. And when you make some comment that I find rather stupid in its comprehension of the Bible, I'll point it out to you in turn.Hundreds of millions of Christians accept Evolution ! So what ? Millions of Christians accept the worship of Mary too.Tangle, the subject here is "Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?"Do you KNOW that we are NOT ?I'd like my next science read to be "Signature In The Cell" by Stephen Meyer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40cOy-i_7zMEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I would agree. Some Bible students might not agree. I think this is what there. No it is not. History in the western world has been divided up into Before Christ and In the Year of Our Lord - BC - AD.The cataclysmic impact of this man's life and words on human history is exceedingly powerful. And a few of us in two millennia have decided to examine what He taught and apparently believed. Its not at all a waste of our time.You have some kind of religion, though I cannot seem to figure out what it is. But you continuously seem incapable of developing your ideas completely void in references to the Bible.That's curious for someone finding the Bible a waste of time on various subjects The New Testament doesn't read anything like Treasure Island. One is obviously a good story of fiction and the other is four biographies (three by eyewitnesses) of someone you'd be a fool to surmise never lived.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You before boasted how devout you are as a Christian. So you apparently want to be considered in the "Club." Right! And Snow White was Nigerian. You're in Junior High schoolyard mode again.

Then get out of the Bible Study Forum already. Go nourish your alternative beliefs in one of the pseudo science rooms.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

We consider the impact of people like Saul of Tarsus [Paul] who went from a vehement opposer and persecutor of the new "cult" to one of its strongest teachers.What happened to him can be discovered by reading his own words. For example the book of Galatians, or the letters to Timothy or Second Corinthians. As a strict Pharisee brought up under a renown teacher Gamaliel he somehow dramatically changed the course of his life 180 degrees.

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According to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God, with which I was entrusted. I give thanks to Him who empowers me, Christ Jesus our Lord, that He has counted me faithful, appointing me to the ministry,

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Who formerly was a blasphemer and a persecutor and an insulting person; but I was shown mercy because, being ignorant, I acted in unbelief ..." (1 tom. 1:12,13)

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He acted ignorantly and in unbelief, like you. We hope God will have mercy on you too.Being a strict Pharisee Paul would never blaspheme Yahweh. Now he writes the formerly he was a blasphemer. The indication is that Paul now realizes that his words against Jesus Christ were words against God Himself. He now believes that Jesus Christ is God become a man.

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"For you have heard of my manner of life formerly in Judaism, that I persecuted the church of God excessively and ravaged it. And I advanced in Judaism beyond many contemporaries in my race, being more abundantly a zealot for the traditions of my fathers.

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But when it pleased God, who set be apart from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me that I might preach Him among the nations, ... etc." (Gal. 1:13-16a)

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And Paul became an apostle and co-worker with the elder apostles Peter, James, and John. And he was at first thought to be a spy. But his reputation grew among the local churches -

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" Now concerning the things which I am writing to you, behold, before God, I am not lying.

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Then I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia [after meeting with the apostle Peter in Jerusalem after a three year exile in Arabia and return to Damascus. He visited Peter for fifteen days. (v.18) ] Yet I was still unknown by face to the churches of Judea, which are in Christ.

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But they only heard this: He who was formerly persecuting us is now announcing as the gospel the faith which formerly he ravaged. And they glorified God because of me." (vs.20-24)

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This man laid quite a foundation for the Christian church for centuries to come in that 13 or so New Testament books that he authored. Even skepetical scholars regard Galatians which I have just quoted as Pauline. That definitely goes for Charles Darwin. All being descendents of Adam and Eve is part of the "various subjects" above. Your own is highly questionable in that you couldn't understand that "various subjects" included among others the subject under discussion here - the descendents of Adam and Eve. That's your lunacy and hyper conspiracy paranoia. It would take more "faith" to follow your elaborate explanation of who was behind the "fictional" evangelists.But then you'd be hard pressed to explain the whole rise of the Christian church from the Jewish nation in such a brief time.Shortly after the death of Jesus the spread of the message of Him having risen from the dead grew rapidly within a period of maybe twenty years. It reached Caesar's palace in Rome. It overwhelmed competing ideologies and saturated the entire Roman Empire in spite of the ferocious state persecution.Eventually Constantine decided that if Rome couldn't beat them they might as well join them.C.F.D. Moule, a Cambridge New Testament scholar wrote - "If the coming into existence of the Nazarenes, a phenomenon undeniably attested to by the New Testament, rips a great hole in history, a hole the size and shape of Resurrection, what does the secular historian propose to stop it up with?"The best explanation is that the resurrection of Jesus did take place. It revolutionized the lives of James and Saul, both former skeptics. It radically changed the social structure cherished by Jews for centuries.Five weeks after Jesus is crucified, over ten thousand Jews are following Him and claiming His to be the initiator of a new religion. They are mysteriously willing to give up institutions that they have been reared on since childhood to believe a rabbi from the lower class has performed a miracle of coming back to life after crucifixion.Animals sacrifices that they have performed yearly for atonement of their sins, they now abandon under the persuasion that a carpenter has died ONCE AND FOR ALL for their sins for their eternal forgiveness. God attesting to accepting the offer by raising Him from the dead.The centuries old belief in one monotheistic God now becomes a proclamation of God as Father - Son - Holy Spirit.The obedience to the Law of Moses, which separated Jews from all pagan nations suddenly takes a turn. Within a short time after Jesus death, Jews were beginning to say that one doesn't become an upstanding member of the community merely by Keeping Moses' law. Justification before God rests in believing in this carpenter turned rabbi, Who proclaimed Himself - the Son of God.Also within a short time the centuries old Jewish practice of Saturday Sabbath keeping is superseded by a worship on the first day of the week to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.Suddenly the concept of a Messiah general crushing the Roman imperialists becomes to a sizable group of Jews, the realization of a suffering Messiah who died for the sins of the whole world.How can you explain why in such a short time, not just one Jew but an entire community of at least ten thousand Jews in Jerusalem, were willing to drop such firmly established traditions and practices ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

JonF, Why are you here in this universe ? What's the most real thing to you ?Just give me one succinct explanation of why your heart beats and you breath - WHY are you alive in this universe ?I bet you cannot tell us. And I bet in the morning you have one opinion which like the restless waves of the sea, is gone by evening time.Sure, I believe that there are two main men in world history - the first man Adam and the second man Christ - ie. "the last Adam." He's the Head of a new race entering into God's eternal purpose - people born again in Christ to be sons of God.But you are going to tell me what is really real now. Some fossils prove your ancestors were animals and you arrived by some lucky mutations ? Is your "reality" pretty much the same as what A3Paulz wrote up there ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Oh that's good. What do you think the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, for example, is about ? Outline the chapter for me, WITHOUT examining anyone else's outline.YOU outline the 8th chapter of Romans, little ole YOU.Or outline for me the seventeenth chapter of the Gospel of John - a prayer uttered by Jesus. I don't ask you to agree with it. Just comprehend His thought there and tell me what John 17 is all about.Its an easy book. Should be no problem for you.WARNING: I find the bible to have a funny effect on people. The LESS they read it the MORE they consider themselves an expert on it, just like what you are doing here. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Does it matter if someone meets you in a back alley tonight, clobbers you over the head, steals your wallet, leaves you with severe concussion and broke ? There is something even more real to me than me- Jesus.I believe that I could have amnetia or dementia over who I am. But deep within me I would still realize that I know Jesus Christ. Do you think there was a very first instance of natural selection ? Or unlucky. According to your view I think it really doesn't matter one way or another. Maybe it was unlucky and the luckier thing would have been for there to be nothing around but dust or cold rocks, or even nothing at all.What good is evolution anyway ? "Doesn't matter." Yep.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

No outline of Romans 8 or John 17 ? I'm disappointed.What's your best example of a internal contradiction in the Bible ?I'd like to see your one or two strongest possible examples.
Don't save the strongest examples for after your weaker examples. Give me your two strongest examples up front and first.By the way, I might agree. I might not. But on one hand you say the book is easy. Then you turn right around and talk about many problems there - "full of contradictions and problems." Then it is not easy to understand as you said.Maybe you should decide which criticism you'd like to stick with. Or clarify when it is easy and when it is difficult.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Not that simple. To the thief you are HERE for the purpose of providing him with some money. The means by which he obtains it does not matter.Now which one of you is right ? Is it your reason for being here, or the thief's reason you are here ?I mean if man is the measure of all things - which man are we talking about ? While an evolution theory may contribute to some medicines it has also contributed to the barbarous eugenics, slavery, national policies of racial superiority, genocide, execution of retarded people.But if there is no purpose for all of us being here, I guess it really doesn't matter in your outlook - medicine or no medicine.

Says Tangle - Phat,I don't know about you, but I suggest we ignore people in the Bible Study Forum who admit repeatedly that they don't want to study the Bible.Edited by jaywill, : Changed phrasing, thankyou.

There was this century, you see. They called it the 20th Century. Go study it and some Evolutionists influence on it. Scientific Racism: The Eugenics of Social Darwinism The first five minutes she beats up on the imperfect Abolition of Christianity. So there is blame to go around. Stay with it for Robert Knox, Samuel Mortan, The American School of Race Scientists (Aboriginal. Black, American Indians not fully human), Charles Darwin (29:30),Eugen Fischer, Kaiser-Welham Institute of Anthropology and Human Heredity, Adult "Euthanisia" - NAZI murder of people with glasses, retarded, Jewish, German "Race Hygiene" .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eX5T68TQIoEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Why ? Certainly not because you deny the original title and intent of Charles Darwin's book - " On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. " Care to try some more revision of history ?

Hey, the Gospel of according to Matthew or Mark or Luke or John didn't have a subtitle to it about the Crusades. But Darwin's book certainly had one about its contribution to the idea of favored races: " On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. "
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