Importance of Original Sin

If Adam hadn't sinned you be perfectly happy and as one with God.The need to be transformed and santified is because of the sin of Adam. No sin, no need for redemption you get paradise at birth.(All of which is total bollocks of course, but that's the story.)Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Granted that is how the story is often marketed but it's not quite the story.Jews didn't see Adam or Eve as sinning, or the Garden of Eden as a Paradise or that Adam and Eve would even be capable of understanding paradise. Those are all more recent marketing tactics.The story is not about sinning or creation as far as they are concerned, it's a "Just So" story.

Not really. You see Adam was created innocent, very good, and neutral. Surely that was a happy life. He probably had an everlasting life.But he was not like Christ for he never partook of the tree of life. He chose to take of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and that was his fall and the union of man with the Satanic rebellion.Immediately after the way to the tree of life was closed off to man. Now when we compare this with the end of the Bible we see the saved partaking of the life of God as depicted in the tree of life.

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"Blessed are those who wash their robes that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter by the gates into the city." (Rev. 22:14)

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In this brief post I have tried to show you that the saved man is recovered to a plane of life above that which Adam fell. He is not restored back to the same plane.Now, my happiness is a very good thing. But there is something more than my happiness. And that is the will of God be fulfilled for His eternal purpose.So the "oneness" with God in the ultimate sense is not the innocent, neutral, happy man ceated "very good" even living always. The oneness with God according to His eternal purpose is to partake of God Himself for a mingling and union.Ie. God became man so that man might become God in life and nature, but not in His Godhead. This oneness Adam never had because before he ate of the tree of life he was expelled from the garden. I don't think sin is the only need that requires man to partake of God's uncreated divine life as signified in the tree of life. For Adam was created and placed in the garden. The tree of life being in the midst of the garden.It was there not because Adam was sinful. He was not yet. But he was natural, very good, but still natural. He may have been a good man. But God's eternal purpose is to have a God-man.He may have had an everlasting life. But God has many angels who also live forever. God wanted something more unique - a man filled with the uncreated Person in a united and mingled way.The mingling Christ came to establish as well as His redemption and forgiveness. We may call this deified humanity. And it is something Adam never had. What are you putting your hope in ?
Yes, I am a fool for Jesus Christ.Whose fool are you ?

Good grief, you think you're going to be a god don't you? I've met a man who thought he was Christ, but I've never met one who thinks he's going to become Christ.

No one can express God individually. I believe that I am being built into a corporate expression of God in humanity - the New Jerusalem.The more biblical phrase would be that we become sons of God -

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"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:7)

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That is individually. Corporately this entity is described as a Bride and Wife to Jesus Christ. She is described not only as a counterpart to Christ but a living temple in which God dwells - the house of God.This is the reason the universe was created - that God may build for Himself a corporate dwelling place mingling with His people.

What incredible self-importance and delusion.

I am not speaking of anything which is not your perfect right to also partake in, given you believe in the Son of God.It is Christ who is incredibly important in this universe. We simply allow God to place us in Christ.

I would like to quote from the book by Mary E. McDonough - God's Plan of Redemption. This is about our mistaken assumption of the inferiority of Adam and Eve to ourselves. And Adam is never mentioned in the Old Testament as a righteous man as Job, Noah, and Daniel are. Why not if the Jews did not consider him as having sinned ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Mary E. McDonough is a total joke and says the absolutely stupidest things and it is amazing to me that anyone can read her crap or listen to her monologs without either injuring themselves laughing or from face palms. That is a great example of her totally stupid comments. Any three year old could and does do that. Anyone who thinks otherwise and is over the age of six is simply lying.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : get rid of extraneous formating

First I made a typo in the quotation, eliminating most of it.Secondly, you resort to calling everyone who doesn't share your opinions "stupid" and other ad hom names.You're just a grumpy troll with contempt for everyone who doesn't think like you.But if you must bantor around the word "stupid" ... your comment that the Jews did not recognize Adam and Eve as having sinned would have to graduate up a few levels before it could be classified as "stupid." The comment is beyond stupid. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

jar makes this silly pseudo intellectual comment about Adam and Eve: However, in the canon of Jewish Scriptures, the oldest book Job speaks of Adam covering his "transgressions" and his "iniquity".

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"If I have covered my transgressions as Adam did by hiding my iniquity in my bosom ..." (Job 31:33)

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Now let's sit back and observe how Mr. jar dances his way out of this one.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Ah, the imaginary audience again. Step down from your pulpit squire, you'll get a nose bleed up that high.

What "imaginary audience" ? You seem to be reading along.

Sorry but it is a really stupid comment and no one over the age of six or so that is honest could ever deny that fact. Of course the God in that story is not all that bright either.Kids name animals all the time and that is what they are called. In fact I even named "rolly bugs", "flutterbys", "phit bugs" and quite a few others.Do you really never actually read the Bible.

It is only after Adam & Eve had eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that either could sin. So let's look at what those transgressions were.They hid because they realized they were naked.Yup. That does seem pretty serious.