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MrHambre
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Message 73 of 451 (758948)
06-06-2015 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by jar
05-27-2015 5:39 PM


Job Security
It is a Constitutionally protected con job.
And as freethinkers, we prefer cons that are evidence-based and generate testable predictions.

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MrHambre
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Message 82 of 451 (760282)
06-19-2015 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Rocky.C
06-19-2015 12:09 PM


Seeing is believing
There can be no dispute in operational (observable and testable) science; it proves or disproves itself.
That's why we still believe the Sun orbits the Earth, right?
Whether we're talking about science in the lab or natural history, we're still talking about theories that arrange and interpret data. Geochronology and biostratigraphy aren't "voodoo," they depend on reasonable assumptions and consistent methodology the same way lab research does.
Welcome to EvC.

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MrHambre
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Message 94 of 451 (760364)
06-20-2015 7:19 PM
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06-20-2015 8:14 AM


Re: Seeing is believing
Rocky.C writes:
The Bible does not state that the sun orbits the earth--never even hints at the notion. Operational science (that which is observable and testable) would disprove this quite easily.
I am for science. Science is not my enemy.
How would observations such as the Sun appearing to move across the sky disprove quite easily the notion that the Sun orbits the Earth?
You're making a distinction between "observational" and "historical" science that doesn't exist. Any scientific theory is a framework for interpreting and understanding data, regardless of the type of data.

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MrHambre
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Message 99 of 451 (760417)
06-21-2015 4:23 PM
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06-21-2015 10:53 AM


Re: Seeing is believing
Today, even without a telescope (but much better with), we can make these same observations. It might take an entire year to be certain, but we can prove heliocentrism to ourselves.
That's not true in the least. You're pretending that data and observations arrange and interpret themselves, which is fantasy. We need a unifying theory to explain observations, whether we're talking about data recorded by astronomers, paleontologists, or molecular biologists. There's no such thing as theory-free science, or self-validating "operation science."
What you're really talking about is the way we as a culture relate to scientific knowledge. Certainly the matter of Darwinian evolution is one that we relate to on a lot of different levels: scientific, social, psychological, and cultural. If you want to study further the ways that Darwinism has been interpreted and misinterpreted throughout the life of the idea, you should read Ever Since Darwin by Stephen Jay Gould.

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