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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Your Big Brother methods would involve a lot of work. Authoritarians are interested in suppressing subversives and the easiest way to suppress subversives is by suppressing subversive organizations. Unorganized subversives aren't that much of a threat.
The methods above might be more or less reliable than simply catching people leaving a church.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I have no idea what you think you're disagreeing with. Could you be more clear?
But of course if all you are really trying to do is shift the goal posts from impossible to impractical, then you have a perfectly great ringo argument....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You miss my point. I'm saying I'd be impressed if the message that God was whispering in your ear was different from the one that's been pelting you from every direction since you were born.
ringo writes:
Whats so unimpressive about Jesus? I'd be impressed if God was communing with you and telling you his prophet was Mohammed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I respect the New Testament more than you do. That's why I look for the gospel in the gospels instead of in Paul's commentary on the gospels.
... all of the antagonistic sentiment against the NT.... Phat writes:
You can't know by faith. You can only believe by faith. If you don't know something, just admit it. Don't try to equate knowledge with belief.
In response to the questions of "How do you know its...." the answer is always "By Faith".
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Sez you. How are you measuring inspiration?
Paul's words are as inspired as Jesus words. Phat writes:
Maybe you should take your own advice and take more than one example. One way to get an idea of what Christianity is is to go back in time and take examples from some respected Theologians of the past. One of the best was a man named Oswald Chambers. But none of what you said addresses what I posted and you quoted: The gospel is in the gospels, purportedly in the words of Jesus Himself - who according to YOUR theology is God Himself, who ought to know what He's talking about. Paul wrote commentaries on the gospel; he was not God, so his words automatically have less value; they're second-hand. Oswald Chambers, et al., wrote commentaries on commentaries; their words are third hand. It never fails to amuse me how you believers are so eager to throw out what Jesus said.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Everybody. You think He's talking to you, don't you?
And who were His audience? Whom was He sent for? Phat writes:
Why on earth would we speculate that? I can just as easily speculate that Jesus would have given the same message to the Gentiles that He gave to the Jews. Why wouldn't He?
We can speculate what the message would have been had Jesus spoken to the gentiles...as paul did. Only those with great faith...an ear to hear, as it were...would receive the message. Phat writes:
And yet it's the fundamentalists who agree with you about "the message" who DO still want to stone homosexuals today - if not with real stones, then by refusing to bake wedding cakes.
The message is the same today, but with progressive revelation. We no longer stone adulterers and homosexuals,for example. Phat writes:
So the people who DO the good works are the ones who HAVE faith, not the ones who merely profess faith. It has nothing to do with "awareness of who He is" or "working through us". It's about what you DO.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do good works. It is always by faith. Granted actions speak louder than words and works are evidence of faith.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It doesn't have to be a flat-out contradiction. Any change in focus is a change in the message and Paul certainly changed the focus. If you want "the real message", why are you so opposed to going to the original instead of Paul's paraphrase?
And yet didnt you once say that the message is more important than the messenger? IF what you say can be considered as possibly true, Jesus, Paul, and Oswald Chambers all ought to be judged by their words. Paul never contradicted Jesus, by the way.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Straightshot writes:
The man who doubts knows littlequote:Actually, the man who swallows hooks, lines and sinkers without testing them knows little.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Straightshot writes:
You clicked the wrong reply button again. My post was not about bollox, it was about your ignorance of ignorance.
Packing it into your brain would be fitting .....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Straightshot writes:
The guy who keeps clicking on the wrong Reply button is ignorant of how the forum works. You clicked on my message and replied to Tangle's, so I get the notification and Tangle doesn't. You made the same mistake when you clicked on your own message to reply to me. Who is ignorant? .... tell me who is ignorant This forum has excellent software and it's worth learning to use it properly.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Straightshot writes:
You seem to have misfired because you ignored the text that I quoted:
Well that is a biblical fact ringo ..... good thinking .... or did you misfire? [2 Peter 1:16-21; 2:1-3; 1 John 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:20; 2 Timothy 4:3; 2 John 1:7; Revelation 22:18-19; John 8:44; 2 Peter 2:1-10]quote:Test all things.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Starightshot writes:
And so are you. Actually, you are being tested Paul told the Thessalonians to test all things. Do you think you're doing that?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Straightshot writes:
You don't get to test me:
I have tested you....quote:
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The possibility of copying errors, the possibility of misunderstanding on the part of the copyists, the possibility of downright malicious intent to deceive on the part of the copyists.... Shall I go on?
IF all writings...messages...were written by men, what makes the first one any better than the second or the third? Phat writes:
It isn't about what's easy to believe. It's about what's more likely to be true.
Its just as easy to believe that one author writes inspired words from God as it is to believe that Jesus is Gods spokesman....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Bob Bobber writes:
Who was it that put us up for sale in the first place?
God purchased the human race out of sins dominion, never to be returned to the market place of sin again. Bob Bobber writes:
Well, Jesus said it:
To say your works have anything at all to do with God’s gift declaration of righteousness is to slap the giver in the face.quote: The ones who inherit the kingdom are clearly those who do good works. If Jesus' death was more important than His words, why did He say anything at all? Why didn't he just come to earth and die?
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