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Author | Topic: Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The problem is that you're not reading the Ten Commandments. An eye for an eye is about compensation, not retribution. That is what perfect justice is about - fixing the problem as much as possible rather than compounding it (as Gandhi said).
No, what God said should and did have plenty to do with our justice system, back when it was rational and based on the Ten Commandments.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Thank you. I'm from Saskatchewan.
Canadians are usually better thinkers.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Try reading it again. The people you love are not necessarily the people who love you.
Your own words say the same thing. "You will know those you love by what you are willing to do for them. You will know who loves you by what they do for you." Greatest I am writes:
Haven't you ever heard of unconditional love?
Even a parent of a child born in a vegetative state will love his or her child on the assumption that the child would love them back if it could. Greatest I am writes:
So you're using the No True Scotsman fallacy: it isn't "true" love unless it fits your definition.
Vegetative children cannot love so that love cannot be what I describe as true love nor can it fit what you yourself wrote above. Greatest I am writes:
So you've moved the goalposts from "love" to "true love". You admit you love Shania even though she doesn't know you exist, much less reciprocate. That's what we've been talking about, not the "true love" mumbo-jumbo that you just made up.
I love Shania but with knowing me and feeling the same, I would be stupid to call that true love and would cheapen the meaning the way you are doing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I'm on a public library computer, so I can't use the sound. And on principle I don't follow your video links anyway. If you have a point, make it.
Have you seen this on the commandments that Faith likes so much?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
The Ten Commandments are not garbage. Judaism has come to understand them in a constructive way rather than a destructive way like Faith does.
My point is that they are garbage. Greatest I am writes:
Yes, and reciprocity is NOT a condition, either in love or in faith.
As to love, like faith according to St. James, you will know them by their works and deeds so love, like faith, have conditions. Greatest I am writes:
You need to now. Make your point.
That Shania thing was to make a point. I should have perhaps shown that but have never needed to do so to for people to understand.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Jesus' audience had no influence over the Roman emperor. You DO have influence over your elected representatives. You CAN take responsibility where Jesus audience could not.
First, obviously Jesus is not talking to state authorities but to His own personal followers. Faith writes:
Again, that isn't what the Bible says.
that an eye for an eye should be the principle that guides the justice system makes sense to me because it is such a perfect statement of justice....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'm pointing out what Jesus said. At the very least, you should be advocating against an eye for an eye, not for it. Are you actually saying that the criminal justice system should turn the other cheek to a criminal? And you keep ignoring the fact that an eye for an eye is NOT about vengeance or even "justice". It's about compensation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But it isn't. There's nothing in the wording that suggests perfection. It's about making the best of a bad situation. I merely point out that it's worded in a way that expresses perfect justice. YOUR view of it has some obvious imperfections. Taking an eye for an eye makes no allowance for errors - you can't un-execute somebody who's wrongfully convicted. And it does nothing to compensate the victim. So no, not "perfect" by any stretch of the imagination.
Faith writes:
He talked about an eye for an eye in the same breath as turning the other cheek. He clearly considered the two systems to be parallel.
Jesus came for a completely different purpose than to tell states how to run their criminal justice system.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Sounds like an infomercial: "Removes stains INSTANTLY!" There is no evil in heaven. A war was fought and evil got thrown out. The product is seldom as perfect as the hype.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So idolatry, which is specified in the Ten Commandments, is okay but homosexuality, which is not specified in the Ten Commandments, is not? Curiouser and curiouser.
There is no problem with heathen marriages.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
No, homosexuality falls under the same category as eating shellfish and wearing cotton-polyester blends.
Homosexuality is condemned under Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. Faith writes:
There's your problem again: putting all your faith into sermons and commentaries instead of actually READING the Bible.
I guess you've never heard a good sermon series on the Ten Commandments.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If you would read the Bible, you wouldn't need to rely on your ****** commentaries.
If you read some commentaries you might not say such ****** things about the Bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But you don't mind being complicit in the state's executing somebody who is wrongfully convicted?
I don't want to be complicit in the state's giving the license either.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The problem is that the Bible doesn't say what you want it to say - so you have to cherry-pick.
The problem with giving the Lord's word on homosexuality is that people are already confused about what this problem is about.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If you can point out any lies or even errors in my posts, feel free to do so.[/qs]
You should be bound and gagged so you can't tell lies.
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