Why Do Gay Men Sound Gay?

Lammy, I merely said that people don't usually interpret family relationships very convincingly, I never claimed to know anything about the situation you described, just that you had described it in terms too general to mean much. It's possible you know all there is to know about it, or it's possible if I observed it I'd have a different take on it, who knows? Also, I haven't been focused on gay speech in any of this, but on sexual identity as such. And believe it or not most of my generalizations haven't had gay men in mind at all.Thanks for the apology.

I probably shouldn't bother answering this. People psychoanalyzing or otherwise explaining me around here are something I just have to shrug off all the time as it is. But this relates to my comments on this thread I assume, and why would you expect me to try to put forward a whole theory of sexual identity in such a context? Finish the investigative process? I'd have to interview the families in question. I have NOT said anything I treat as fixed in concrete, you are reading anything like that into very brief remarks I've made. And where are you getting "comfortable conclusion?" "Comfortable?" Do you impute that motive to everybody who tries to understand something, or just me? I may offer my reasoning in general terms because it makes sense to me. And you really ought to take into account that it doesn't matter what I say about anything here, it will be met with dozens of objections. I "dig in my heels" against the barrage of objections unless I have something more to say and in this case why would I? I'm talking in generalities and never ever claimed they describe all situations. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Why do you so often answer posts I've addressed to someone else as if I'd addressed them to you?

Why do you so often miss the whole point of what I said that you think you are answering? I was referring to Blue Jay's comment as psychoanalyzing me. You can answer anything you like, but you can't treat what I said as if it pertained to you when it didn't.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You have no idea what I know. That's obvious enough from your brainless comments, but you also know nothing about what I've studied, experienced, done in my life.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You have no idea what my thoughts are based on, and you've said nothing about the research and your assertion about it is worth zero.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You pick out things I say and make them mean something else. You're almost a genius at that, whatever it should be called. I can count on you to pick something out of what I wrote and answer it as if it was my point when it was at best a side point. In this case you just confuse categories. Saying I had less opportunity to know gays before I was a Christian does not imply I didn't know a lot about psychology, family pscyholgoy, the development of sexual identity and all that, from reading, and from practical experience among psychologists as a "paraprofessional." Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Good question. I'm "elderly" and my sleep patterns are all messed up. I don't sleep well at night so I sleep a lot during the day which makes it harder to sleep at night and so on. I get the pattern more or less straightened out and then I have another sleepless night.So there's your answer fpr me.ABE: However, I think most of the names that show up on the board during the night by American time, are in the UK or Europe where it's day time.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes there's a pattern there isn't there? From my point of view what it reflects is the fact that hardly anyone ever gives the slightest credence to anything I say, even when I knock myself out coming up with evidence. I've sometimes barely had a chance to think through the position I just came to before I'm barraged with a million objections of varying degrees of validity, most of them just wild shots against "the creationist." So I am determined to find a way to show all the objections wrong and I may sometimes overshoot the mark. Nevertheless the objections are in fact open to criticism. When they are really on target I think I'm pretty good at acknowledging it.The very few times someone recognizes a good point in my arguments are so rare I feel like framing them and hanging them on the wall. But it never lasts long. I know I'm right at least half of the times I'm treated like this. Why don't you point out THAT pattern?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Amazing. You did it again. But what you quoted was not relevant to the point I was making, which is one of the things you do that drive me crazy. The quote was about KNOWING gays, now I'm talking about kowledge of psychology. I gave a little list of things you do that drive me crazy by somehow misreading my posts. This is one of them. I'm claiming to have read a LOT and worked with a group of pscyhologists for many years. I'm claiming I used to be. You DO have trouble reading, don't you?
When I became a Christian I gave up most of my old life. Well, all of it really. But I still think psychologically where it fits.You haven't given any research whatever to prove your claim that I'm wrong about my thoughts. And actually, my thoughts are so general your objections are ridiculous anyway.ABE: You know what makes me hold onto my general thoughts against your research claim? The fact that my thoughts seem to be considered INSULTING to gays. Insults and offense are a red flag that we're losing touch with reality and entering PC territory. That suggests that there's a strong PC drift to deny any psychological element at all in the formation of gay identity, and PC drift certainly can occur in research. All you have to do is define your terms so that they couldn't apply to any known reality, then declare their failure to fit the experience of gays to prove they're irrelevant.So, if you want me to take current research seriously, you're going to have to present it in a serious fashion.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What does "sounding gay" mean to me? Not much. I started the thread as I said because of the voiceover put on Trump on the Humor thread that was identified as gay, and clearly sounds gay to me. I've never analyzed a voice to see what makes it gay to my ear, but like many I think I recognize it when I hear it. The thread made it clear that some who sound gay aren't and lots of gays don't sound gay, identified a "camp" voice, and made me aware that it ultimately derives from female speech patterns, all of which I found interesting.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.