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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Then you're thoroughly unqualified to discuss it. maybe you should change the topic title to, "Rumours I Have Heard About Marxism."
I can't get through The Communist Manifesto....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Your chart puts Clinton to the left of Socialism. Was it made up by the same loons who call Obama a socialist?
Comments?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You'll do anything to avoid reading the actual book that we're supposed to be discussing, won't you?
The book is interesting, a biographical study of Marx showing his turning from his Christian upbringing to hatred of God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
How can something be so "odious" to you when you don't know the first thing about it?
I said in the OP that Marxism is so odious to me I really can't read the official documents.... Faith writes:
"I'm sorry, teacher. I didn't have time to read the textbook beause I was searching all over town for the CliffsNotes."
As for the book Marx and Satan, it's far more accessible and easy to read and it's certainly not off topic. Faith writes:
I think Marx's analysis of history turned out to be a little off the mark. The working class has been seduced by capitalism to the point where the most lumpen of the lumpenproletariat think they're "capitalists". The Confederates who fought for slavery were mostly too poor to own slaves and the strongest proponents of capitalism are also the poor.
Instead of your usual one-liner put-downs do you think you could manage to give your view of Marxism instead?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're attacking a strawman of Marxism, so yeah, it kinda does.
Not being able to get through the official documents certainly doesn't mean I don't know the basics of Marxism. Faith writes:
I'm not making an issue. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
So you really have no cause for making such an issue of this.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So there's no such thing as a Satanist.
You have to have the objective of killing Christianity and a lot of the human race to be a Satanist.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
What have denunciations of God and Christ got to do with "killing Christianity and a lot of the human race"?
All the pitiless denunciations of God and Christ and the whole human race?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
When we talk about Paris, we don't pronounce it, "Pa-REE." When speaking English, I don't think we're obligated to fake a French accent or a German accent. I think "FREED-rick" is a perfectly acceptable pronunciation. (didn't listen far, but I'm not filled with confidence in the narrator given that he mispronounced Engels' first name). (Though it does grate on me when a certain German philosopher's name is pronounced "NEET-shee".)
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I've corresponded with Wurmbrand. I think he was sincere. I wouldn't call him a "nutjob" but he definitely had a paranoia about communism. Like many people, he confused communism with the Soviet system - which has more to do with endemic Russian paranoia than with Marx. Tsarist Russia was the same and post-Soviet Russia is the same.
Pastor Wurmbrand was no "nutjob."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Correct. Just like you confuse communism with Satanism and "Leftism". Sometimes people use a label like "communist" or "Christian" when it isn't warranted.
Communism has also been "confused with" the Khmer Rouge and Maoism.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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caffeine writes:
Since Faith never looks in the mirror, it occurs to me that she may be a vampire - or at least a cultural vampire.
Was that an intentional joke?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
"Wolf! Wolf! Why won't you let me cry Wolf!?"
They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
(I thought you were the oppressed one.) Europe is completely controlled by PC, that's why they're getting destroyed by "immigrants," the Marxist Victim / Oppressed Group du jour. What about Canada? Immigrants are our strength. My grandparents were immigrants.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's right. You're the oppressor according to reality. Ever hear of history? I'm the Oppressor according to Marxism. I'm white, I'm a Christian and I'm an American. Grade A Oppressor, nothing worse than my kind. You're just complaining that your ability to oppress is being curtailed. But removing your ability to enslave doesn't make you a slave.
Faith writes:
I have no idea whether my grandparents were "legal" or not. Western Canada was a wild and wooly place a hundred years ago. I doubt if anybody could tell legals from illegals. I do know that my mother's parents lived on both sides of the 49th parallel from time to time so they might have been legal on one side and illegal on the other.
My father was an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant. Faith writes:
Well, Marxism favours the rights and needs of the workers over the arbitrary laws and borders that the rich use to protect their wealth.
But Marxism favors ILLEGAL immigrants. Faith writes:
Only a Marxist would call a brown cow a cow. Seems fair.
Only a Marxist would call an illegal immigrant an "immigrant."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You do a hell of a lot more slapping than getting slapped.
Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations.
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