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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: We are all palming some pea, according to you. Who the heck are we palming it from? Ourselves?? Exactly; you are fooling yourselves.
Phat writes: When I say that I ignore evidence, I mean that it is asserted facts that I choose to give no weight to. If the facts actually exist as opposed to being asserted then that is willful ignorance at best. But what "asserted facts" are being discussed? What is an "asserted fact"?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If the facts actually exist as opposed to being asserted then that is willful ignorance at best. How can all of he apologists be wrong while all of the critics(most of them atheist) be right? Im skeptical But when I have some time i will find some assertions by critics and we can discuss themChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: How can all of he apologists be wrong while all of the critics(most of them atheist) be right? Im skeptical ALL of the Apologists have an agenda by definition to support what they want to be true. The critics on the other hand simply ask "What does the evidence show" with no agenda or preconceived notion of what the correct answer should be. The problem is that you are NOT skeptical; you do not want all of the Apologists to be wrong.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
quote: Your evasive shift of the argument noted.It is noted - from jar, NO scientific proof God did not bring about the existence of Time, Space, Matter. You dodged and switched the subject to the age of the earth.
quote: Evasive dodge and lack of evidence to back up your blusterous assertion.Ie. You KNOW for a fact God did not create the universe. No formula and no proof from you is noted. Next time be careful before you let out a lot of hot air.
quote: Still not proof that God did not create the universe, time, space, matter in the beginning. Be careful next time you can't wait to key off some blusterous assertion as you KNOWING something as a FACT, You don't.
quote: Whoever discovered water, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fish. You only know space, time, matter. If not REVEALED to you where they came from no science could be performed to give you an answer. You DON'T know that God did not bring into being the heavens and the earth.
quote: An honest person would not blurt out that he KNOWS Genesis 1:1 is impossible to be true, and only offer philosophical arguments rather than scientific PROOF of his assertion. And an honest person, I think, would recognize that whatever or whoever brought about the existence of Time, Space, and Matter has to be transcendent TO Time, Space, and Matter. Now let's get back to the End Times. Or as I would put it the the Changing or Consummation of the Age. Behold, I am with you all the days, even unto the consummation of the age. (Matt. 28:20b) Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It actually doesn't take much energy to just read. What takes energy is the handsprings and backflips that you do. ringo is another who seems to know a lot of Bible and puts all his energy into using it against believers.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jaywill writes:
That's a cute (as in childish) sound bite, much like yabba dabba doo. I'd say it's beneath you. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: Your evasive shift of the argument noted.It is noted - from jar, NO scientific proof God did not bring about the existence of Time, Space, Matter. You dodged and switched the subject to the age of the earth. Your utter dishonesty and misrepresentation is noted. You are just like the Witnesses; simply carny pitchmen. You can try to change the subject but all you are actually doing is once again perverting the Bible. You are quite frankly just another member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The problem is that you assume a priori that it's all related, so you're bound to make some pretty long stretches to force the relationships. You're also susceptible to confirmation biases which confirm relationships ths ... they don't know they are interpreting it when they read it, they think whatever they read it to mean is what it means, period....at might not really be there. If you understand each passage individually, in its own context, you're less likely to infer relationshiops that are not there.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
So says the man who just KNOWS Genesis 1:1 is factually in error.
quote: You blew it jar. Hand waving about cults and JWs won't help you. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes I do assume that it's all related because I know it to be God's own revelation of the truth to us. If you read each part in isolation without taking the rest of the Bible into account you can only get a distorted message that fragments the whole.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jaywill writes:
It's funny (ha ha) that you have so little faith in faith. Is your faith so weak that somebody who is deliberately trying to destroy it could succeed? But as a Christian I also am aware of wolves in sheeps clothing - secretive enemies of the message who wish to be covert about their destructive motives to faith.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't rhetorical. When you don't answer it, it seems to me that you can't, or worse, that you haven't even bothered to think about it. ringo may have a point in that the message is more important than the messenger. I hate how he rhetorically asks why we even need Jesus, however.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wolves in sheep's clothing can destroy the faith of lots of weak Christians even if not mine or jaywill's, and we have an obligation to try to protect them too.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: So says the man who just KNOWS Genesis 1:1 is factually in error. quote:As an honest Christian I understand that the statement "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is factually wrong. You blew it jar. Hand waving about cults and JWs won't help you.
It was YOU who tried to change the subject and continue to simply lie yet again. from Message 1094 quote: Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens & the Earth" The reality is that the Earth is younger than much in this universe and did NOT exist in the beginning. You trying to palm the pea, move the goal posts, con the rubes, sell your snake-oil does not change the fact that Genesis 1:1 is factually wrong.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That is quite bizarre. You can read the complete text of the message Revelation 3:7-13 and see that it does not specify how or where any might be spared. You certainly know that the Revelation was written close to 2000 years ago so those living at the time have all died. But apparently you doubt both points. Very strange.
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