Christianity and the End Times

Exactly; you are fooling yourselves. If the facts actually exist as opposed to being asserted then that is willful ignorance at best. But what "asserted facts" are being discussed? What is an "asserted fact"?

How can all of he apologists be wrong while all of the critics(most of them atheist) be right? Im skepticalBut when I have some time i will find some assertions by critics and we can discuss them

ALL of the Apologists have an agenda by definition to support what they want to be true. The critics on the other hand simply ask "What does the evidence show" with no agenda or preconceived notion of what the correct answer should be.The problem is that you are NOT skeptical; you do not want all of the Apologists to be wrong.

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The earth is younger than much of the rest of this universe.

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Your evasive shift of the argument noted.
It is noted - from jar, NO scientific proof God did not bring about the existence of Time, Space, Matter.You dodged and switched the subject to the age of the earth.

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But wait, there is more to the creation myths than just Gen 1:1.

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Evasive dodge and lack of evidence to back up your blusterous assertion.
Ie. You KNOW for a fact God did not create the universe.No formula and no proof from you is noted.Next time be careful before you let out a lot of hot air.

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Genesis 1 goes on to talk about other stuff getting created and almost all of the things specified are factually wrong.

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Still not proof that God did not create the universe, time, space, matter in the beginning.Be careful next time you can't wait to key off some blusterous assertion as you KNOWING something as a FACT,You don't.

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Even the heavens (something for which there is no evidence but let's pretend it refers to the visible objects seen at night from Earth) did not exist at the beginning but rather evolved over time.

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Whoever discovered water, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fish.You only know space, time, matter. If not REVEALED to you where they came from no science could be performed to give you an answer.You DON'T know that God did not bring into being the heavens and the earth.

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No honest person can take Gen 1:1 as being literally or factually true.

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An honest person would not blurt out that he KNOWS Genesis 1:1 is impossible to be true, and only offer philosophical arguments rather than scientific PROOF of his assertion.And an honest person, I think, would recognize that whatever or whoever brought about the existence of Time, Space, and Matter has to be transcendent TO Time, Space, and Matter.Now let's get back to the End Times. Or as I would put it the the Changing or Consummation of the Age. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

It actually doesn't take much energy to just read. What takes energy is the handsprings and backflips that you do.

That's a cute (as in childish) sound bite, much like yabba dabba doo. I'd say it's beneath you.

Your utter dishonesty and misrepresentation is noted. You are just like the Witnesses; simply carny pitchmen.You can try to change the subject but all you are actually doing is once again perverting the Bible.You are quite frankly just another member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty.

The problem is that you assume a priori that it's all related, so you're bound to make some pretty long stretches to force the relationships. You're also susceptible to confirmation biases which confirm relationships ths
at might not really be there.If you understand each passage individually, in its own context, you're less likely to infer relationshiops that are not there.

So says the man who just KNOWS Genesis 1:1 is factually in error.

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As an honest Christian I understand that the statement "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is factually wrong.

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You blew it jar.Hand waving about cults and JWs won't help you.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Yes I do assume that it's all related because I know it to be God's own revelation of the truth to us. If you read each part in isolation without taking the rest of the Bible into account you can only get a distorted message that fragments the whole.

It's funny (ha ha) that you have so little faith in faith. Is your faith so weak that somebody who is deliberately trying to destroy it could succeed?

It isn't rhetorical. When you don't answer it, it seems to me that you can't, or worse, that you haven't even bothered to think about it.

Wolves in sheep's clothing can destroy the faith of lots of weak Christians even if not mine or jaywill's, and we have an obligation to try to protect them too.

It was YOU who tried to change the subject and continue to simply lie yet again.from Message 1094

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LOL

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Classic example of your utter dishonesty.

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Please publish your formula or observed evidence proving scientifically beyond any shadow of doubt that God did not create the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

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The earth is younger than much of the rest of this universe.

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But wait, there is more to the creation myths than just Gen 1:1.

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Genesis 1 goes on to talk about other stuff getting created and almost all of the things specified are factually wrong.

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Even the heavens (something for which there is no evidence but let's pretend it refers to the visible objects seen at night from Earth) did not exist at the beginning but rather evolved over time.

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No honest person can take Gen 1:1 as being literally or factually true.

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Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens & the Earth"The reality is that the Earth is younger than much in this universe and did NOT exist in the beginning.You trying to palm the pea, move the goal posts, con the rubes, sell your snake-oil does not change the fact that Genesis 1:1 is factually wrong.

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I acknowledge that it could the case.
But I don't think it is the case.

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That is quite bizarre. You can read the complete text of the message Revelation 3:7-13 and see that it does not specify how or where any might be spared. You certainly know that the Revelation was written close to 2000 years ago so those living at the time have all died. But apparently you doubt both points. Very strange.