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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
quote: Etc etc etc Moon landing conspiracy theories - Wikipedia Religious nutters will believe anything.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: What am I missing? Conspiracy theorists can invent a limitless supply of bollox that normals are then expected to refute. Most normals can't be arsed aguing with crack-pots because they know that crack-pots don't care about evidence-based facts. We can theorise about sounds on the moon but we can never prove anything so the nutcases live on.. But all that crap is irrelevant if you can independantly provide irrefuteable evidence that it happened. We nw have that evidence. So the idiots can shut up. Prediction; they won't.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: At first viewing that video does make you wonder how we could be hearing those clanking and scraping sounds if there is no atmosphere to transmit them, but I think that's because one automatically assumes the microphone is attached to the camera, which of course it isn't. If you have a burglar on CCTV and his DNA on the broken window there's no need to speculate about whether he was actually indoors watching the football at the time of the incident. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Oh, good grief...
Sounds travels through a medium by vibration. The medium can be anything that has atoms, air, water rock, bone, space suits....whatever. Cochlear implants work via bone conduction. Here's a transcript from Apollo 17: Geology Station 2 143:29:03 Cernan: Now, I want to try to take this piece off first. (Pause as Gene hammers) 143:29:10 Schmitt: Pretty hard, isn't it.[Hammering sounds - a soft "plock" - can be heard through Gene's suit. He takes seven whacks at the top of the boulder on the east end.] [Cernan - "Although we can hear on the tape that the microphone in my suit was picking up the sound of my hammering, I don't ever remember hearing it. I could certainly feel it; and I've always contended that it's a very fine line between hearing noise and feeling noise. With that hammer, when you hit something the shock went through your whole body; but I'm not sure I ever heard the noise, probably because my ears were covered with the Snoopy helmet."] [What seems likely is that, when Gene hits the rock, the hammer rebounds against the palm of the pressurized glove, creating a sound wave in the suit loud enough to be picked up by the microphone at Gene's lips. In brief, the suit acts like a drum.]Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Please take your pulpit and preach your magical nonsense elsewhere.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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jaywill writes: Nope. I have plenty of good things to teach and preach right here on the Evolution Verses Creation Forum. This is a debate site, not a teaching and preaching site - if you want to do that, get yourself off to your church. If you continue to do it here, you'll get yourself banned. If you want to discuss something, you start a new thread on it and see if anyone is interested. That includes why we exist in the universe. Now get down off your pulpit and start debating.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jaywill writes: This is a room called Bible Study under which title it saysWhat does the Bible really mean? So in this room you discuss bible topics with others, not by teaching and preaching, which is a one way communication form.
Preaching" is mostly the term you use for having to listen to something you don't want to hear. Well you said it. And preaching is what you have openly admitted you are doing and what you intend to carry on doing.
Jaywill writes: I have plenty of good things to teach and preach right here on the Evolution Verses Creation Forum. Besides I gave you opportunity to show us you could say something of a better more meaningful world view to the Bible concerning the meaning of man in the universe. And I have said that if you want to do that, you open another thread called 'the meaning of man in the universe' - not in this thread or in the bible forums. That's how it works. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Jaywill writes: Come and debate with me Tangle. It's really not difficult. In this thread we are - or are supposed to be - discussing Christianity and the End Times. If you want to discuss something else, you create a new thread for it in the correct forum. That way the original thread doesn't get polluted and run off at all manner of tangents.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
An undated prophecy is just a wish.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: There is no such thing as a dated prophecy. No shit! I wonder why that is?
The closest thing to that is Daniel's prophecy of the seventy weeks, 69 of which count to the time of Christ's first coming, but even then most of the Jews missed it. Yeh, where a week isn't 7 days. It's something else. And even when it's something else, it still didn't work. And when a generation isn't a generation - it's now 2,000 years and counting...
Prophecy includes descriptions of signs to look for in order to know it's close; we have the responsibility to figure it out ourselves Pish. It's the responsibility of the prophesier to say when the prophecy will be fulfilled in unabiguous terms. Otherwise it's just yet another idiot with a 'the end of the world is nigh' sign strapped to his back.
and if our calculations and guesses are wrong that doesn't make scripture wrong. So that for thousands of years you can say the prophecy is about to be fulfilled in your personal lifetime and be wrong over and over and over again.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: the word "week" is a translation of the Hebrew word for "seven." It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure out that it's referring to years in batches of sevens. Only in your world Faith. In my world the word week means seven days. If it means 7 years then the translation should say that because, you know, it's several orders of magnitude wrong. But in either case, it still didn't happen. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: You can't understand the Old Testament without SOME basic respect for how the Hebrew language is used. Neither of us read the bible in Hebrew. We read it in English. If the English translation is 'week' then it means 7 days. If it actually means something else, then the translation is wrong. But, as I say, in either case, the prophecy, like all others - your own included - failed.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The amazing, I mean amazing, glorious, beauty and truth that unfold from it when you simply trust it is something unbelievers will never know, and I feel sorry for you but less sorry as time goes by and you all continue to prefer your nitpickery to God's truth. Self-deception is glorious I can see that. You're living your own magnificent dream. The tricky thing for me to understand is why you're here watching us pick it apart bit by bit. After all, at some point we might wake you up.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Oh we've got many, many more than that Faith. And, of course, quite a lot of them were Catholic too.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: My list is of people who share a theology, and again I doubt you are familiar with even half of them, or read any of them at all. However, the Catholic Lord Acton had some valuable things to say. And G.K. Chesterton too. No-one has special knowledge Faith. No-one. All everyone is doing is a form of literary criticism of you book and making stuff up about it that they like or dislike. There is nothing else to go on.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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