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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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"Not a TRUE Calvinist." Gee, why didn't we see that one coming?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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So is a prayer wasted effort? The Unitarian call to prayer that we used ended with:
quote: Similarly, the proper purpose of an invocation to start a meeting would be to remind everybody present of what they are there for in order for everybody to put themselves in the proper frame of mind.
Then why is one of His two major commandments to love Him with our whole being? How do you know that? Wasn't that written by Man? Wasn't that Man putting words in his god's mouth? Everything that we know about any god is the stories Man has told and written about that god.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I'm afraid that my copy of "The History of the End of the World" is an older edition, so I don't know what the current schedule is supposed to be.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
It's been "Soon" for thousands of years.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Don't beat yourself up about it, fundies like you have been doing it for centuries. It's perfectly normal. Yes, it's sadly so normal of them, but it shouldn't be. If only they would read the Bible, they would know that it is impossible for them to predict the date for the End Times. Gee, they value that book so much that they practically worship it, yet they cannot be bothered to actually read it. Here's a page which lists verses in the KJV which speak of the End Times coming as a thief in the night; eg:
quote:Not only does the Bible have Jesus himself saying it in all three synoptic Gospels, but it also appears in the very book that deals directly with the End Times, Revelation, which fundamentalists still obsess over (in my time with the Jesus Freaks, c. 1970, they would obsess about two things: demons and End Times prophecies). So I guess their ignorance of what the Bible says demonstrates what they really think of it.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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I have seen this developing since 1970 with the Jesus Freak Movement. In the 80's, Pat Robertson had plans to set up loudspeakers everywhere proclaiming their message just to fulfill some prophecy requirement that everybody in the world had heard the message and rejected it.
Remember when Trump tried to recruit Kasich as his VP? Promised to make him the most powerful VP in history in that he would do all the work while Trump just lazed back and served solely as figurehead. Well, guess what Mike Dense (AKA "Pence", "Dense" was his nickname as governor) has been doing all this time. When Bush 43 (AKA "Dubya") cheated his way into the Oval Office, a fellow chief (albeit a boot chief, having just been admitted into the chiefs' mess), a Religious Programs Chief Petty Officer, expressed his joy at having a "born again" believer as President. Then I pointed out that someone who believed in the End Times now had his finger on The Button and even he had to do a "oh shit!". Now we have an imbecilic President who is itching to push The Button at the close advice of a fundamentalist End-Times VP advising him. What could possibly go wrong?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot ... Oscar?
Screw your no-show god! This is our problem and we need to solve it! There's an old story that I've told before about the beautiful garden. A passer-by remarks to the gardener about the beauty of the garden and what God and the gardener had accomplished with it. The gardener replies, "Oh, that's nothing! You should have seen what a total mess it was when only God was attending to it." We attended a Unitarian-Universalist church (long arduous story there) where the call to prayer included the words: "We say this knowing that prayer does not change things, but rather prayer changes us and we are the agents of change." I have found that outside of UU circles, those words can be very troubling. Trust in no gods! We have to act to save ourselves!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
In the chess world (not a member) there is a phrase often used: Gens Una Sumus. We are one people.
Why is that such a difficult concept for so many people?
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