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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You wouldn't know, though, because you don't have spiritual discernment. You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment. You are all wrong about the book of Daniel for instance, ridiculously wrong.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith, addressing PaulK writes: The main reason that I tentatively rejected the basic YEC arguments was that I believe that God does not require that level of Faith from me. In my opinion, He considers it important that I believe in the Virgin Birth when the Creator of all seen and unseen stepped out of eternity into time. Critical thinking weighs whatever information is available on both sides, including vagueness, imponderables, suspected but not proven falseness, various kinds and credibility of evidence, and comes to conclusions based on the assigned weights since evidence on many subjects is really not all that compelling. He also considers it important for me to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection. These two points I shall never doubt. I honestly believe that mythicists such as Richard Carrier are tools of Satan. After talking with PaulK, I do not believe that he is such a tool. I believe that we were meant to have discussions and debates with him in order for us to sharpen his perspective as well as he sharpening ours. But I can only speak for myself. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just for the record, I don't make much use of the "basic YEC arguments," I take off from some of them here and there but for the most part I've thought through the issues for myself and come up with my own completely unique arguments. YEC yes but my own. I do it because I'm interested in them and think I understand them to the point that I take them. I don't do it out of any sense of feeling required to address them, but because I enjoy doing it.
I don't think anything is gained by debating with atheists, but that is what is done at EvC so that's why you or I engage in it here.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith, addressing PaulK writes: You must admit one thing, though. IF the Bible is word for word literal and everything within its pages will eventually come to pass, know that once this happens, the entire global intellectual secular mindset will be quite literally blown out of the water. In fact, those who are foreknown to reject the Gospel to their graves will manifest satanically and the world will plunge into a chaotic tailspin. The Rapture likely will occur near this time. Keep in mind that I was saved every bit as much as you were. I too have spiritual discernment, although they argue that I refuse to use it fully nor cast aside the vain imaginations of secular wisdom in deference to it. That's how God made me, however. It is how I was hardwired and it is why my page will forever be controversial. You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment. As for you, it is not that I consider you batty or delusional...it is quite possible that you will have been right all along, though to no credit towards your own intellect but simply a matter of God reaping all of the credit to His glory. My only beef with you is that you sometimes come across as all too human. You showcase much carnal behavior publically, which to me is a bad witness. To be fair, I am no better than you, however...so dont take my remarks as snark in any way. In addition, feel free to become a critic of my page. Update Your Browser | FacebookChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
IF the Bible is word for word literal... That is wrong, I've never said that and it's not true. The Bible is all true AS WRITTEN, and as written it contains all kinds of nonliteral meanings. No idea what you are going on about after that. Yes I do fall into the flesh at times, particularly when the outrageousness of EvC gets to me. I don't think I can participate at Facebook since I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: But I do know because your errors are so obvious.
quote: And how do you know that?
quote: You say that, but I have evidence. You only have false boasting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are whole studies of Daniel that I've read that taught me the interpretation I follow. Yours comes from revisionist modernists, mine comes from the standard approach followed by all orthodox Protestant evangelicals.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith writes: You dont need one. Just follow the link.
I don't think I can participate at Facebook since I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one. Thugpreacha Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And I note that they are unable to adequately answer my points.
quote: More accurately I take my views from study of the text and the relevant history - scholars pointed me in the right direction but I don’t take their views uncritically. But then again why shouldn’t scholars be better able to retrieve the original meaning before the revisionists got at it ? And I contend that is exactly what has happened. Daniel speaks of an End Time in the 2nd Century BC - chapter 8 is especially clear on that. The revisionists first tried to move it to the 1st Century AD and now place it at an indefinite future time. And you didn’t answer my question. How do you know that you have “spiritual discernment”? If you really used critical thinking that would be a very important point that you would have to address.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Classic case of beam-in-the-eye syndrome.
You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment.quote: Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know I have spiritual discernment because I use it all the time. I know the traditional view of Daniel is correct because I have spiritual discernment. It is acquired by being born again and the main way you know you have it is that you fall in love with the God of the Bible and with the Bible itself. I certainly didn't feel that way before. And loving God and loving His Law leads me to recognize the true teachings and yours are not the true teachings no matter how convinced you are of them.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
PaulK, addressing Faith writes: Were I to ask this question, I would seek to know the motives of the scholars and the motives of the revisionists if in fact there actually were revisionists. I am unconvinced at this point. But then again why shouldn’t scholars be better able to retrieve the original meaning before the revisionists got at it ? For instance, it is claimed that the Gospel of John was written and revised and edited by redactors. The Christian Apologists never mention this claim, so either the Christian Apologists have an ulterior motive to direct and hide the full truth or (more likely in my mind) the scholars who claim to be unbiased and fully neutral are in fact tools of Satan. Of course, I then must convince my audience that Satan exists....and I usually dont like to hype his marketing brand. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The beam in the eye is about sin, not about doctrine.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That sounds like a copout, an excuse to dismiss them without thinking about their position at all. I would seek to know the motives of the scholars and the motives of the revisionists if in fact there actually were revisionists.Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Help me with my Beam while we put your splinter on the back burner!
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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